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https://www.google.com/amp/s/fordauthority.com/2020/10/executive-explains-decision-to-discontinue-ford-sedans-in-north-america/amp/ https://www.google.com/amp/s

https://www.google.com/amp/s/fordauthority.com/2020/10/executive-explains-decision-to-discontinue-ford-sedans-in-north-america/amp/ https://www.google.com/amp/s/fordauthority.com/2020/10/execu... Not everybody needs to do those things. I have lived 28 years without owning a truck and will never need one. My father knows how to drive many sized trucks for work, but he never needed to own one. Trucks provide utility and to be clear, I singled out SUVs because they have basically no value for people buying them, except that it makes them feel safe because they aren't the smallest vehicle on the road anymore. Most are terrible off-roaders and if people need to carry more people they can buy wagons and vans. Also, the EV remark. The issue is that SUVs are correlated with more deaths, including hitting peds at higher rates. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism_of_sport_utility_vehicles https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism_of_sport_utility_v... If an EV car was correlated with higher deaths than other vehicles, that should be examined and we need to consider it.

vmladenov 5y ago
> Most are terrible off-roaders I always love revisiting the Canada episode of The Grand Tour where they tested 3 midsize SUVs and concluded that they’re neither sporty nor provide much utility.
giantg2 5y ago
"Not everybody needs to do those things. I have lived 28 years without owning a truck and will never need one." But in a proposed world of no SUVs or trucks (read comment chain), there are some people who would not be able to perform their tasks. If we have to ban something, why not leave the most capable vehicle that provide coverage to the most people. I'm trying to get the original commenter to explain. Also, aren't vans the worst pedestrian offenders? And for EVs... https://www.cnet.com/roadshow/news/axa-insurance-claims-high-end-evs-crash-more/ https://www.cnet.com/roadshow/news/axa-insurance-claims-high... https://frankellawfirm.com/are-electric-vehicles-leading-to-more-pedestrian-accidents/ https://frankellawfirm.com/are-electric-vehicles-leading-to-...
- Svip 5y ago
  > But in a proposed world of no SUVs or trucks (read comment chain) I think you've misinterpreted something. No one is suggesting banning trucks or lorries; only SUVs. They are not the same. Trucks, lorries, vans, buses, coaches, all provide meaningful utility. SUVs do not.
  - giantg2 5y ago
    I thought that paper about morality did?
    - Svip 5y ago
      I will confess that I did not read the article on morality, since it is hidden behind a nag screen. I assume most other people did not and would not, and the commenter merely provided it for those more curious. Generally speaking, I believe it is reasonable to only be arguing against the commenter, not the articles or papers they reference. The commenter in question only mentions SUVs, and not trucks. So even if the article about morality did lump trucks and SUVs in the same category, that's not what the commenter is bringing to the table.
      - giantg2 5y ago
        In that case their argument is even weaker. Just banning SUVs based on morality will cause those people to seek similar vehicles like vans and trucks, providing no benefit.
    - TomSwirly 5y ago
      The article talks about "personal vehicles" repeatedly, starting in the first sentence, and makes it clear that it's talking about vehicles used for personal transportation.
      - giantg2 5y ago
        What is the point you are trying to make? Many people only have one vehicle. So they might be pulling a heavy trailer some of the time but using it for personal transportation the rest of the time.

vmladenov 5y ago

> Most are terrible off-roaders I always love revisiting the Canada episode of The Grand Tour where they tested 3 midsize SUVs and concluded that they’re neither sporty nor provide much utility.

giantg2 5y ago

"Not everybody needs to do those things. I have lived 28 years without owning a truck and will never need one." But in a proposed world of no SUVs or trucks (read comment chain), there are some people who would not be able to perform their tasks. If we have to ban something, why not leave the most capable vehicle that provide coverage to the most people. I'm trying to get the original commenter to explain. Also, aren't vans the worst pedestrian offenders? And for EVs... https://www.cnet.com/roadshow/news/axa-insurance-claims-high-end-evs-crash-more/ https://www.cnet.com/roadshow/news/axa-insurance-claims-high... https://frankellawfirm.com/are-electric-vehicles-leading-to-more-pedestrian-accidents/ https://frankellawfirm.com/are-electric-vehicles-leading-to-...

Svip 5y ago
> But in a proposed world of no SUVs or trucks (read comment chain) I think you've misinterpreted something. No one is suggesting banning trucks or lorries; only SUVs. They are not the same. Trucks, lorries, vans, buses, coaches, all provide meaningful utility. SUVs do not.
- giantg2 5y ago
  I thought that paper about morality did?
  - Svip 5y ago
    I will confess that I did not read the article on morality, since it is hidden behind a nag screen. I assume most other people did not and would not, and the commenter merely provided it for those more curious. Generally speaking, I believe it is reasonable to only be arguing against the commenter, not the articles or papers they reference. The commenter in question only mentions SUVs, and not trucks. So even if the article about morality did lump trucks and SUVs in the same category, that's not what the commenter is bringing to the table.
    - giantg2 5y ago
      In that case their argument is even weaker. Just banning SUVs based on morality will cause those people to seek similar vehicles like vans and trucks, providing no benefit.
  - TomSwirly 5y ago
    The article talks about "personal vehicles" repeatedly, starting in the first sentence, and makes it clear that it's talking about vehicles used for personal transportation.
    - giantg2 5y ago
      What is the point you are trying to make? Many people only have one vehicle. So they might be pulling a heavy trailer some of the time but using it for personal transportation the rest of the time.