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“Come on…” said every person uncomfortable with the brutal history of race relations and living in denial about its long term effects.

betwixthewires 5y ago
Or maybe, and this might sound outlandish, we are tired of the tendrils of this insidious beast infecting every single thing. Walking. Walking? Yes, walking. "Come on" is right.
- jiocrag 5y ago
  Tendrils of an insidious beast? A bit dramatic? What are you including in said “insidious beast?” Any mention of a racial past is representative on an evil monster seeking to pervade all culture? I think you’ve been watching too much hentai.
  - betwixthewires 5y ago
    Dramatic? Maybe. But definitely not an overstatement, and nowhere near as dramatic as ideas like all social dynamics are oppressor/oppressed social dynamics, or that for example black people cannot walk around and therefore white people have privilege to walk around and therefore think and reason. I don't mind mention of a racial past, as long as it is actually applicable. Want to talk about slavery in the Americas? Jim Crow and segregation? European colonialism? The Maori genocide on the Moriori people? Sure, we can talk about it. But Walking? Yes, walking apparently. An attempt to cram racism into every facet of life, even where it didn't exist and doesn't belong, is absolutely 100% and evil monster seeking to pervade all culture. I don't watch hentai.
    - jiocrag 5y ago
      "or that for example black people cannot walk around and therefore white people have privilege to walk around and therefore think and reason." Dude... go walk around in Compton or Fuller Park and tell me you're able to ruminate like Darwin LOL. You're trying to ELIMINATE race from every conversation because of your sensitivity. No one is "cramming" race anywhere.
silisili 5y ago
I'm not uncomfortable with it, just past it. My family's always been poor, and didn't oppress anyone. But, I do recognize that some did. I don't see it today. In fact, in my home city, I'd argue there's more areas where a black could walk freely than a white. But that's just city life and demographics in a shitty US city. In the world, walking is not a racebound privilege.
- jiocrag 5y ago
  Ridiculous. Walkability is a key trait of affluent, nice neighborhoods. There's plenty of research on this: https://www.brookings.edu/research/walk-this-waythe-economic-promise-of-walkable-places-in-metropolitan-washington-d-c/ https://www.brookings.edu/research/walk-this-waythe-economic... Seems like the posters in this thread are more concerned with being hypersensitive about "wokeness" than reality. "Poor people walk more, ergo this article gets it wrong" is the ultimate confluence of idiocy and privilege.
- jiocrag 5y ago
  You’re empirically wrong. Leisurely walking is a privilege of affluence. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6095595/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6095595/
  - silisili 5y ago
    Your empirical doesn't match my own. I'm not calling your link untrue, just incomplete. If you want to visit my hometown and give it a test, I'm more than happy to guide you. But I also realize my experiences may have been rather different than those in other cities. It doesn't make either of us wrong.
  - Gustomaximus 5y ago
    Did you post the correct study? This paper seems more about mental state than any race/gender type research. e.g. "In particular, this study aimed to explore how the participants’ pre-existing levels of non-clinical depression, anxiety, persecutory feelings and personal resilience influence the in situ judgments they make about the contrasting urban environments."
resonious 5y ago
I think the "come on" is justified because the article doesn't even expand on it. It brings up race out of nowhere and then trails off somewhere else. It just feels like a grab for woke points.

betwixthewires 5y ago

Or maybe, and this might sound outlandish, we are tired of the tendrils of this insidious beast infecting every single thing. Walking. Walking? Yes, walking. "Come on" is right.

jiocrag 5y ago
Tendrils of an insidious beast? A bit dramatic? What are you including in said “insidious beast?” Any mention of a racial past is representative on an evil monster seeking to pervade all culture? I think you’ve been watching too much hentai.
- betwixthewires 5y ago
  Dramatic? Maybe. But definitely not an overstatement, and nowhere near as dramatic as ideas like all social dynamics are oppressor/oppressed social dynamics, or that for example black people cannot walk around and therefore white people have privilege to walk around and therefore think and reason. I don't mind mention of a racial past, as long as it is actually applicable. Want to talk about slavery in the Americas? Jim Crow and segregation? European colonialism? The Maori genocide on the Moriori people? Sure, we can talk about it. But Walking? Yes, walking apparently. An attempt to cram racism into every facet of life, even where it didn't exist and doesn't belong, is absolutely 100% and evil monster seeking to pervade all culture. I don't watch hentai.
  - jiocrag 5y ago
    "or that for example black people cannot walk around and therefore white people have privilege to walk around and therefore think and reason." Dude... go walk around in Compton or Fuller Park and tell me you're able to ruminate like Darwin LOL. You're trying to ELIMINATE race from every conversation because of your sensitivity. No one is "cramming" race anywhere.

silisili 5y ago

I'm not uncomfortable with it, just past it. My family's always been poor, and didn't oppress anyone. But, I do recognize that some did. I don't see it today. In fact, in my home city, I'd argue there's more areas where a black could walk freely than a white. But that's just city life and demographics in a shitty US city. In the world, walking is not a racebound privilege.

jiocrag 5y ago
Ridiculous. Walkability is a key trait of affluent, nice neighborhoods. There's plenty of research on this: https://www.brookings.edu/research/walk-this-waythe-economic-promise-of-walkable-places-in-metropolitan-washington-d-c/ https://www.brookings.edu/research/walk-this-waythe-economic... Seems like the posters in this thread are more concerned with being hypersensitive about "wokeness" than reality. "Poor people walk more, ergo this article gets it wrong" is the ultimate confluence of idiocy and privilege.
jiocrag 5y ago
You’re empirically wrong. Leisurely walking is a privilege of affluence. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6095595/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6095595/
- silisili 5y ago
  Your empirical doesn't match my own. I'm not calling your link untrue, just incomplete. If you want to visit my hometown and give it a test, I'm more than happy to guide you. But I also realize my experiences may have been rather different than those in other cities. It doesn't make either of us wrong.
- Gustomaximus 5y ago
  Did you post the correct study? This paper seems more about mental state than any race/gender type research. e.g. "In particular, this study aimed to explore how the participants’ pre-existing levels of non-clinical depression, anxiety, persecutory feelings and personal resilience influence the in situ judgments they make about the contrasting urban environments."

resonious 5y ago

I think the "come on" is justified because the article doesn't even expand on it. It brings up race out of nowhere and then trails off somewhere else. It just feels like a grab for woke points.