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You’re right. It’s not so much the cars are larger that lowers visibility. It’s the design with the massive fronts and massive grilles that are higher than the

You’re right. It’s not so much the cars are larger that lowers visibility. It’s the design with the massive fronts and massive grilles that are higher than the average male’s height. Some of these cars are really insane and it really worries me for the kids in these people’s houses.

giantg2 5y ago
"It’s the design with the massive fronts and massive grilles that are higher than the average male’s height." This seems sensationalist unless you're talking about class A or B vehicles. Especially with your think-of-the-children remark. Do you have data to back it up?
- stefan_ 5y ago
  I think you should strap a GoPro to your belt some time and walk around a city. It's not think-of-the-children, not being able to see past vehicle fronts is what life is like for children.
  - giantg2 5y ago
    "not being able to see past vehicle fronts is what life is like for children." This wasn't being discussed. Driver visibility was the topic. How do you feel children not being able to see past the front of a vehicle affects their safety? Presumably they are crossing at crosswalks and intersections which would not have cars parked immediately around them and provides visibility.
    - crooked-v 5y ago
      > which would not have cars parked immediately around them Something tells me you haven't visited an urban downtown lately. Vehicles are often parked right up to the edges of blocks, and that can make safe visibility difficult for adults, let alone children.
      - giantg2 5y ago
        Well then maybe the police should do their jobs and start towing people parked within 15 feet of the intersection. It's a bit ridiculous to advocate for more laws when the current ones aren't enforced. Edit: why downvote? In my opinion city design has more of an impact on safety than vehicle design.
        zten 5y ago
        But that parking is usually legal. Nothing to tow over, unless the intersection specifically has markings ("daylighting") prohibiting parking.
        giantg2 5y ago
        Where do you live? Most states I know of have laws that specifically prohibit parking within 15 feet of intersections or hydrants regardless of if the curb is marked. It's not only for visibility but also for larger emergency vehicles to navigate.
        erik_seaberg 5y ago
        In California it’s 15’ from a fire hydrant/station, 3’ from a wheelchair curb cut, and don’t block a driveway/crosswalk/sidewalk. If they want no parking at a corner they mark it red.
        giantg2 5y ago
        I guess it's mostly an east coast thing, as most of those states prevent parking within a specified distance of an intersection (or stop signs/lights). Or perhaps the cities in CA set it independently from the state.
        erik_seaberg 5y ago
        Yeah, except for SF (which is a maze of confusing parking signs) most cities around here tend to have much wider streets.
- ketzo 5y ago
  I don’t mean this rudely — have you been around many trucks recently? They’re fucking massive. The newer F-150s, while maybe not 6ft tall at the front, easily obscure a child or a short person. I have personally seen extremely close calls at gas stations/grocery store parking lots multiple times because of this.
  - giantg2 5y ago
    "The newer F-150s, while maybe not 6ft tall at the front, easily obscure a child or a short person." Which is not what the parent is claiming. Edit: people are really downvoting factual statements now?
    - ketzo 5y ago
      Okay, so new trucks don’t exclusively have a hood height of 5’9”+. I still think the broader point of “it’s really hard to see people, even adults, right in front of you” is 1) demonstrably true 2) extremely scary.
      - giantg2 5y ago
        “it’s really hard to see people, even adults, right in front of you” Then they should say that instead of sensationalizing it. "1) demonstrably true" Do you have some evidence of this? 1) If you have awareness, you should see objects before they move into any blind spot. 2) Driver height in relation to the hood height plays an important role in visibility, which means that you can see things shorter than the hood height depending on the distance from the vehicle. 3) Many new larger trucks come with 360 degree cameras now, so the blind spots are not an issue.
        jkelleyrtp 5y ago
        I own a Dodge Ram 2500 and I can say that it's much harder to see things in front of you simply because the vehicle is so large. It's tough to park, tough to take through a small town, and hard to see out of in short-sight conditions. But it hauls a trailer, so it has a purpose.
- crooked-v 5y ago
  It's hyperbole, but not by much. For example, a current model GMC Sierra HD Denali straight from the factory floor, before even considering aftermarket lift kits, has a hood line about 55" off the ground. Someone in a wheelchair or an average 10-year-old would be completely hidden from the view of the driver.
  - giantg2 5y ago
    The parent said F150, which is a different level of truck and lower. They were also talking about full size adult males. Their statement was factually inaccurate. Edit: why downvote? Should we just leave fake information circulate?
    - vitus 5y ago
      It's pretty close, though. The closest proxy to this that I could find ("inside height" of the truck bed plus "open tailgate to ground") is 57.4-57.7" for a 2015 4x4, while the average adult male in the US is 5'9". https://www.fordfseries.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/01/2019-F150_rozm%C4%9Bry.pdf https://www.fordfseries.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/01/2019-... I don't know about you, but if you looked at the top 1.3" of my head, you'd just see hair. edit: as pointed out, I am bad at math apparently.
      - giantg2 5y ago
        I think you need to check your math. 5'9" comes out to 69", giving you about 12" visible inches (more dpending on driver height and distance from vehicle).
    - anigbrowl 5y ago
      It's OK to point someone is being hyperbolic but you are nitpicking many posts on the topic, with 16 comments so far. Maybe just ease back the reply button a bit.
      - giantg2 5y ago
        Can you give me an example of the nitpicking? Mostly I've been pointing out incorrect information or explaining my prior comment because someone misread the comment or didn't read how it relates to the context set by the parent.
- klyrs 5y ago
  I don't know where you live, but in north america, trucks are getting ridiculously huge. They aren't sold like that, but aftermarket lift kits are extremely common; I fear that there's nothing sensationalist about GP. I live in Vancouver and trucks like this are quite frequent. In places like Texas and Alberta, they're downright common. Speaking of children... little ones can walk directly under these trucks without bonking their heads
  - giantg2 5y ago
    "They aren't sold like that, but aftermarket lift kits are extremely common;" The parent was talking about the design of new trucks. Aftermarket modifications would be a different topic.
    - klyrs 5y ago
      I'd agree, if they weren't so damned prevalent. Their dominating presence on the road absolutely factors into the real and perceived safety that is driving the race towards ever larger cars
      - giantg2 5y ago
        But then we would be discussing a different topic - forbidding or further restricting aftermarket modifications instead of the current discussion about all trucks and larger vehicles. It seems the stock designs are reasonable and pass various safety considerations (stability, braking, etc) that the extremely modified versions would not.
        klyrs 5y ago
        No, that's not a different topic at all. If tax is based on vehicle size, then that tax should increase with aftermarket modifications to the vehicle's size. Likewise, if an aftermarket modification violates vehicle regulations, that should be punished accordingly.
        5y ago

giantg2 5y ago

"It’s the design with the massive fronts and massive grilles that are higher than the average male’s height." This seems sensationalist unless you're talking about class A or B vehicles. Especially with your think-of-the-children remark. Do you have data to back it up?

stefan_ 5y ago
I think you should strap a GoPro to your belt some time and walk around a city. It's not think-of-the-children, not being able to see past vehicle fronts is what life is like for children.
- giantg2 5y ago
  "not being able to see past vehicle fronts is what life is like for children." This wasn't being discussed. Driver visibility was the topic. How do you feel children not being able to see past the front of a vehicle affects their safety? Presumably they are crossing at crosswalks and intersections which would not have cars parked immediately around them and provides visibility.
  - crooked-v 5y ago
    > which would not have cars parked immediately around them Something tells me you haven't visited an urban downtown lately. Vehicles are often parked right up to the edges of blocks, and that can make safe visibility difficult for adults, let alone children.
    - giantg2 5y ago
      Well then maybe the police should do their jobs and start towing people parked within 15 feet of the intersection. It's a bit ridiculous to advocate for more laws when the current ones aren't enforced. Edit: why downvote? In my opinion city design has more of an impact on safety than vehicle design.
      - zten 5y ago
        But that parking is usually legal. Nothing to tow over, unless the intersection specifically has markings ("daylighting") prohibiting parking.
        giantg2 5y ago
        Where do you live? Most states I know of have laws that specifically prohibit parking within 15 feet of intersections or hydrants regardless of if the curb is marked. It's not only for visibility but also for larger emergency vehicles to navigate.
        erik_seaberg 5y ago
        In California it’s 15’ from a fire hydrant/station, 3’ from a wheelchair curb cut, and don’t block a driveway/crosswalk/sidewalk. If they want no parking at a corner they mark it red.
        giantg2 5y ago
        I guess it's mostly an east coast thing, as most of those states prevent parking within a specified distance of an intersection (or stop signs/lights). Or perhaps the cities in CA set it independently from the state.
        erik_seaberg 5y ago
        Yeah, except for SF (which is a maze of confusing parking signs) most cities around here tend to have much wider streets.
ketzo 5y ago
I don’t mean this rudely — have you been around many trucks recently? They’re fucking massive. The newer F-150s, while maybe not 6ft tall at the front, easily obscure a child or a short person. I have personally seen extremely close calls at gas stations/grocery store parking lots multiple times because of this.
- giantg2 5y ago
  "The newer F-150s, while maybe not 6ft tall at the front, easily obscure a child or a short person." Which is not what the parent is claiming. Edit: people are really downvoting factual statements now?
  - ketzo 5y ago
    Okay, so new trucks don’t exclusively have a hood height of 5’9”+. I still think the broader point of “it’s really hard to see people, even adults, right in front of you” is 1) demonstrably true 2) extremely scary.
    - giantg2 5y ago
      “it’s really hard to see people, even adults, right in front of you” Then they should say that instead of sensationalizing it. "1) demonstrably true" Do you have some evidence of this? 1) If you have awareness, you should see objects before they move into any blind spot. 2) Driver height in relation to the hood height plays an important role in visibility, which means that you can see things shorter than the hood height depending on the distance from the vehicle. 3) Many new larger trucks come with 360 degree cameras now, so the blind spots are not an issue.
      - jkelleyrtp 5y ago
        I own a Dodge Ram 2500 and I can say that it's much harder to see things in front of you simply because the vehicle is so large. It's tough to park, tough to take through a small town, and hard to see out of in short-sight conditions. But it hauls a trailer, so it has a purpose.
crooked-v 5y ago
It's hyperbole, but not by much. For example, a current model GMC Sierra HD Denali straight from the factory floor, before even considering aftermarket lift kits, has a hood line about 55" off the ground. Someone in a wheelchair or an average 10-year-old would be completely hidden from the view of the driver.
- giantg2 5y ago
  The parent said F150, which is a different level of truck and lower. They were also talking about full size adult males. Their statement was factually inaccurate. Edit: why downvote? Should we just leave fake information circulate?
  - vitus 5y ago
    It's pretty close, though. The closest proxy to this that I could find ("inside height" of the truck bed plus "open tailgate to ground") is 57.4-57.7" for a 2015 4x4, while the average adult male in the US is 5'9". https://www.fordfseries.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/01/2019-F150_rozm%C4%9Bry.pdf https://www.fordfseries.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/01/2019-... I don't know about you, but if you looked at the top 1.3" of my head, you'd just see hair. edit: as pointed out, I am bad at math apparently.
    - giantg2 5y ago
      I think you need to check your math. 5'9" comes out to 69", giving you about 12" visible inches (more dpending on driver height and distance from vehicle).
  - anigbrowl 5y ago
    It's OK to point someone is being hyperbolic but you are nitpicking many posts on the topic, with 16 comments so far. Maybe just ease back the reply button a bit.
    - giantg2 5y ago
      Can you give me an example of the nitpicking? Mostly I've been pointing out incorrect information or explaining my prior comment because someone misread the comment or didn't read how it relates to the context set by the parent.
klyrs 5y ago
I don't know where you live, but in north america, trucks are getting ridiculously huge. They aren't sold like that, but aftermarket lift kits are extremely common; I fear that there's nothing sensationalist about GP. I live in Vancouver and trucks like this are quite frequent. In places like Texas and Alberta, they're downright common. Speaking of children... little ones can walk directly under these trucks without bonking their heads
- giantg2 5y ago
  "They aren't sold like that, but aftermarket lift kits are extremely common;" The parent was talking about the design of new trucks. Aftermarket modifications would be a different topic.
  - klyrs 5y ago
    I'd agree, if they weren't so damned prevalent. Their dominating presence on the road absolutely factors into the real and perceived safety that is driving the race towards ever larger cars
    - giantg2 5y ago
      But then we would be discussing a different topic - forbidding or further restricting aftermarket modifications instead of the current discussion about all trucks and larger vehicles. It seems the stock designs are reasonable and pass various safety considerations (stability, braking, etc) that the extremely modified versions would not.
      - klyrs 5y ago
        No, that's not a different topic at all. If tax is based on vehicle size, then that tax should increase with aftermarket modifications to the vehicle's size. Likewise, if an aftermarket modification violates vehicle regulations, that should be punished accordingly.
        5y ago