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> Which people, and what speech? I find very peculiar how the proponents of various version of Critical Theory and Cancel Culture simply argues that they do no
by TeeMassive 5y ago
> Which people, and what speech?
I find very peculiar how the proponents of various version of Critical Theory and Cancel Culture simply argues that they do not exist when confronted with criticism; this reminds me of one of my college philosophy professor trying to confuse his students with "nothing really exist" instead of answering the critiques of his teachings.
To give a few high profile examples:
* People arguing that private companies should be able to do anything with their public platforms regarding politically motivated censorship
* Jordan Peterson getting warned by the University of Toronto's lawyers for making a video about how he wouldn't cooperate about being forced to use certain pronouns.
* Lindsay Shepherd got disciplined by Wilfrid Laurier University's staff for merely showing a video of Jordan Peterson.
* Brett Weinstein was confronted by a hostile mob for criticizing the College for asking White student to stay away from college this day.
* Gregg Patton from the University of Southern California was replaced for saying the very usual Chinese expression "ne ga"; while teaching a Chinese Mandarin course.
> I grew up in a smaller town (but not tiny), where teachers who were fired or otherwise quietly left town after coming out as gay.
It's almost as if things have changed.
- profunctor 5y agoThere has been politically motivated academic censorship forever. See what happened to communist academics throughout the 20th century.
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- TeeMassive 5y agoAnd?
- throwawaygh 5y agoThe thesis of the top-most comment was: >>> And I feel like in last 6-8 years, people have become far more intolerant regarding free speech That's the proposition that this particular subthread is discussing. Perhaps you don't care, but in that case I'm a bit confused about why you're commenting this far down-thread.
- TeeMassive 5y agoI was answering to "Which people, and what speech?" Which I gave prominent examples of. The reply of which was simply examples from the USSR era (as opposed to right now in the Western World) without any other argument other than what seems to be whataboutism.
- joshuamorton 5y agoBut that's a valid argument! "Here are tons of other examples from before the past decade" is a perfect response to "I've noticed this new thing in the past decade".
- TeeMassive 5y agoExcept I was responding to "Which people, and what speech?" which referred to current event and people.
- joshuamorton 5y agoIt doesn't though. The point of that statement is exactly what I said, to point out that "people have become far more intolerant regarding free speech" is only true if you look at specific people and specific speech. If you look at all speech about everything, it probably isn't true. Concretely, the far stronger social reaction to slurs against gay people go hand in hand with people now being able to say "I'm gay" without repercussions.
- TeeMassive 5y agoI was responding to: > > I feel like in last 6-8 years, people have become far more intolerant regarding free speech. > Which people, and what speech? I responded with people and their speech that faced intolerance with total disregard for free speech. I doesn't even look like you are following the conversation anymore. > Concretely, the far stronger social reaction to slurs against gay people go hand in hand with people now being able to say "I'm gay" without repercussions. You are mixing up causation. People didn't accept homosexuality because certain words were banned, people stopped using words because they didn't like what they represented. And then it has gotten to another level where even statement of facts or simply making a point involving those words, in entirely different context causes outrage can cancellation. The idea that words should get banned to make certain ideas or concept disappear à la 1984 is a very immature notion as other words can be forged.
- throwawaygh 5y agoI genuinely can't figure out what thought your first paragraph is trying to convey. Other than an admittedly convincing demonstration that your Philosophy professor wasn't a great teacher, what is your point? > proponents of... Cancel Culture What in my blistering critique of 1980s Cancel Culture gave you that impression? > proponents of... various version of Critical Theory You have me there. I will fess up to a fondness for the elementary theory of dynamical systems. The identification of critical points is a particularly important piece of mathematics. I have no clue what my fondness of the theory of the identification of critical points in dynamical systems has to do with this thread, though. >> I grew up in a smaller town (but not tiny), where teachers who were fired or otherwise quietly left town after coming out as gay. > It's almost as if things have changed. https://www.orlandosentinel.com/opinion/scott-maxwell-commentary/os-op-gay-teacher-fired-florida-scott-maxwell-20201023-mnfwdiqejrd2blf4cermulgeji-story.html https://www.orlandosentinel.com/opinion/scott-maxwell-commen...