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The comparisons in the article are for trucks from 1990s. Look at a picture of a pickup from the 1960s: https://cdn1.mecum.com/auctions/fl0116/fl0116-243533/im

by JJMcJ 5y ago

The comparisons in the article are for trucks from 1990s. Look at a picture of a pickup from the 1960s: https://cdn1.mecum.com/auctions/fl0116/fl0116-243533/images/fl0116-243533_1@2x.jpg https://cdn1.mecum.com/auctions/fl0116/fl0116-243533/images/... The old one seems positively dainty compared to current models.

ramoz 5y ago
You mean newer models like this: https://www.iihs.org/news/detail/pedestrian-crash-prevention-earns-safety-award-for-ram-1500 https://www.iihs.org/news/detail/pedestrian-crash-prevention... This blog is trash. Propagating political motive on HN. Quite obvious.
- 1986 5y ago
  > when equipped with specific headlights and optional front crash prevention. How many purchasers are actually paying extra for optional pedestrian safety add-ons?
  - igetspam 5y ago
    I do. Reverse cameras are federal now, I believe. Most of the truck stickers I looked at had front cameras too. It's a minimal cost.
- addicted 5y ago
  > In vehicle-to-vehicle front crash prevention tests, the Ram 1500 avoided collisions at both 12 mph and 25 mph. In most of the vehicle-to-pedestrian tests, it avoided hitting the pedestrian dummy or slowed substantially to mitigate the force of impact. However, the system failed to slow the vehicle at all in the 37-mph trial designed to simulate an adult pedestrian walking in the travel lane in the same direction as the vehicle. So the standard they met fails to even slow down the car when seeing an adult pedestrian at a speed that is a fraction of the driving speed in nearly every American city. A handful of American cities have 25mph limits within the city but most drivers are driving at east 5-10 mph above that, which is kind of written into American DOT standards (which require speed limits to be set at 85% of the average driving speed on a road).
  - giantg2 5y ago
    "So the standard they met fails to even slow down the car when seeing an adult pedestrian at a speed that is a fraction of the driving speed in nearly every American city. A handful of American cities have 25mph limits within the city but most drivers are driving at east 5-10 mph above that," So a fraction... but an improper fraction? 37/35 mph
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SV_BubbleTime 5y ago
Automotive EE here. This has been a trend, but the largest jump was every new body since 2009. In order to meet the practically impossible CAFE and emissions standards pushed for completely for PR by the Obama Admin, a silent change was made to how vehicles are judged and tallied in the CAFE specifically, but also CARB (CA only) and NHTSA (not emissions, but related to size increases). Footprint became a consideration to emissions. Larger footprint vehicles are judged differently than smaller footprint. You might be thinking, that makes no sense, and you would be right. Of course this incentivized making larger vehicles. I don’t know the reasoning behind it other than Admin wanted a win for PR, Congress didn’t know any better, automakers got an out and got room to add garbage no one asked for. I know this is the reason vehicles got larger, suddenly in every single body made since 2009. Obama came in and said we’re going to forgive you a little on footprint, automakers delivered footprint. EDIT: for the people that can’t stand to hear something bad about politician they voted for… Despite every vehicle getting larger, the CAFE averages have still gone up. StartStop, DEF, multiple displacement, private bussed “smart” O2 sensors, heated differentials (sounds silly, I know), selectable lock Tcase, front axle disconnect, adjustable ride height, aluminum bodies, selectable air intakes, higher pressure injectors, more aerodynamic bodies, etc etc. While we haven’t improved upon the best stoichiometric ratio of air and petrol, we have improved all aspect of ICE vehicles… they’re just larger.

by JJMcJ 5y ago

ramoz 5y ago

You mean newer models like this: https://www.iihs.org/news/detail/pedestrian-crash-prevention-earns-safety-award-for-ram-1500 https://www.iihs.org/news/detail/pedestrian-crash-prevention... This blog is trash. Propagating political motive on HN. Quite obvious.

1986 5y ago
> when equipped with specific headlights and optional front crash prevention. How many purchasers are actually paying extra for optional pedestrian safety add-ons?
- igetspam 5y ago
  I do. Reverse cameras are federal now, I believe. Most of the truck stickers I looked at had front cameras too. It's a minimal cost.
addicted 5y ago
> In vehicle-to-vehicle front crash prevention tests, the Ram 1500 avoided collisions at both 12 mph and 25 mph. In most of the vehicle-to-pedestrian tests, it avoided hitting the pedestrian dummy or slowed substantially to mitigate the force of impact. However, the system failed to slow the vehicle at all in the 37-mph trial designed to simulate an adult pedestrian walking in the travel lane in the same direction as the vehicle. So the standard they met fails to even slow down the car when seeing an adult pedestrian at a speed that is a fraction of the driving speed in nearly every American city. A handful of American cities have 25mph limits within the city but most drivers are driving at east 5-10 mph above that, which is kind of written into American DOT standards (which require speed limits to be set at 85% of the average driving speed on a road).
- giantg2 5y ago
  "So the standard they met fails to even slow down the car when seeing an adult pedestrian at a speed that is a fraction of the driving speed in nearly every American city. A handful of American cities have 25mph limits within the city but most drivers are driving at east 5-10 mph above that," So a fraction... but an improper fraction? 37/35 mph
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SV_BubbleTime 5y ago

Automotive EE here. This has been a trend, but the largest jump was every new body since 2009. In order to meet the practically impossible CAFE and emissions standards pushed for completely for PR by the Obama Admin, a silent change was made to how vehicles are judged and tallied in the CAFE specifically, but also CARB (CA only) and NHTSA (not emissions, but related to size increases). Footprint became a consideration to emissions. Larger footprint vehicles are judged differently than smaller footprint. You might be thinking, that makes no sense, and you would be right. Of course this incentivized making larger vehicles. I don’t know the reasoning behind it other than Admin wanted a win for PR, Congress didn’t know any better, automakers got an out and got room to add garbage no one asked for. I know this is the reason vehicles got larger, suddenly in every single body made since 2009. Obama came in and said we’re going to forgive you a little on footprint, automakers delivered footprint. EDIT: for the people that can’t stand to hear something bad about politician they voted for… Despite every vehicle getting larger, the CAFE averages have still gone up. StartStop, DEF, multiple displacement, private bussed “smart” O2 sensors, heated differentials (sounds silly, I know), selectable lock Tcase, front axle disconnect, adjustable ride height, aluminum bodies, selectable air intakes, higher pressure injectors, more aerodynamic bodies, etc etc. While we haven’t improved upon the best stoichiometric ratio of air and petrol, we have improved all aspect of ICE vehicles… they’re just larger.