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And what, pray tell is a “proper lockdown”? I hardly think NZ and AU are places to copy.
by spookthesunset 5y ago
And what, pray tell is a “proper lockdown”?
I hardly think NZ and AU are places to copy.
- another_story 5y agoTaiwan had only a few weeks of full lockdown last year, and then a few months of softer lockdown during the second outbreak this year. During the recent outbreak it was WFH and takeout from restaurants with certain businesses closed. About 100 days later most things are open again. They resisted a full lockdown and doubled down on contact tracing. Went from 500+ cases a day to just a few now.
- nickthemagicman 5y agoContact Tracing sounds like an Orwellian nightmare.
- another_story 5y agoContact tracing is looking for people that came in contact with infected individuals. When a coworker gets covid they investigate where they went and who they came in contact with so that person can get tested. Not sure how that is Orwellian. What people would consider Orwellian is the app you can use to scan in at places. That's voluntary, but almost everyone uses it and you still have to sign in on paper if you don't. Personally, I don't mind. We all carry around GPS tracking devices every day, and it's silly to think that governments can't already track those. Even with GPS off you can be tracked if hitting wifi or different cell towers.
- kQq9oHeAz6wLLS 5y agoHonestly, it all sounds like an Orwellian nightmare
- nickthemagicman 5y agoGood point. Phew. Slowly being normalized.
- kybernetikos 5y agoActually in terms of Orwellian nightmares, normalizing mask wearing in public is an incredibly significant blow you can strike against the surveillance state.
- nickthemagicman 5y agoSo comply with the government in order to get our freedoms? Makes sense....
- kQq9oHeAz6wLLS 5y agoI mean, on the one hand, you're not wrong. I suppose one "solution" is one of those fake masks that looks real, but does nothing. Technically compliant with the letter of the law, but still striking a blow, with the bonus of hiding your face.
- SideburnsOfDoom 5y ago> Contact Tracing sounds like an Orwellian nightmare George Orwell, who actually died of an infectious disease ( Tuberculosis ), being recruited posthumously to the "lets spread disease without restraint" brigade is quite low.
- nickthemagicman 5y agoDon't understand how him dying of TB invalidates his ideas.
- op00to 5y agoIt’s been done for at least a hundred years, well before Orwell. Nice try though.
- nickthemagicman 5y agoNot with this level of technology and with this big of scale. Come to think of it when has contact tracing been done before?
- op00to 5y agoAll communicable diseases (measles, etc) in western countries, especially starting with smallpox eradication in the 1950s. Look it up!
- benjilb 5y agoWhy not NZ? We're in our 2nd 'level 4' lockdown in 18 months. The economy is doing fine and for most of that 18 months we were living completely normally. We have record low case numbers and deaths.
- antipodes123 5y agoHow has the NZ tourism sector been going - eg QT/Wanaka? Did domestic tourism pick up the slack?
- pugz 5y agoI can't speak for NZ, but in AU domestic tourism has more than picked up the slack - domestic tourists have spent more money than international tourists
- foxylad 5y agoWhen Auckland is locked down, Queenstown is a ghost town, but otherwise (50 out of last 52 weeks?) we've been pretty busy actually. So much so that the tourism spokespeople who railed against the first lockdown are saying "Lets lock down hard so we can open up again faster" this time.
- basisword 5y agoIt’ll be interesting to see how this ages in the next few weeks. I hope you get the current outbreak under control (I have many friends in NZ) but containing the delta variant seems unlikely and because of NZ’s great success so far you seem to have slept on the vaccine. If it doesn’t get brought under control it could be disastrous.
- foxylad 5y agoIt will be fascinating, and I agree the vaccine rollout has not been the speediest. However, one thing on our side is that we have experienced the benefits of elimination, so our lockdown compliance is extraordinary.
- senectus1 5y agothe states that do actual hard and fast lockdowns do well. See WA, QLD, NT, SA.
- hkt 5y agoNZ and AU are faring pretty differently. AU is wracked with crisis and NZ has been business as usual for ages. The key difference as I understand it is that NZ sacrificed easy international travel for domestic wellbeing and AU didn't.
- antipodes123 5y agoAU has certainly sacrificed international travel also - there are still Australians trying to get back. Aus outbreaks were mostly from escapes from hotel quarantines, and the quarantines were in the major cities.
- ajdlinux 5y agoAnd NZ is having outbreaks from hotel quarantine in the middle of major cities too, exactly like us.
- postingawayonhn 5y agoAustralia has far more restrictions on travel. For outbound travel Australians are required to get a government exemption to leave the country. Australia also has far fewer inbound quarantine places per capita. Also internally most states require entry/exit permits and frequently close thier borders to one another.
- HNPoliticalBias 5y agoNZ doesn't have any cities. Australia's outbreaks have both occurred in Sydney and Melbourne, each with a population exceeding the entirety of NZ. Density is the primary precursor.
- ajdlinux 5y agoNZ is well on the path to becoming like AU in the next few weeks - it's not at all obvious they'll manage to crush their current outbreak and won't end up like Victoria currently, and their vaccination and even testing capabilities seem to be behind Australia considerably.
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- timClicks 5y agoCan you flesh that out? Emulating New Zealand's death rate in the USA would have saved at least 600k lives so far.