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Notice the article doesn't mention countries where proper lockdown worked very well and took only around 100 days.

by jchook 5y ago

jmnicolas 5y ago
It's not like there are no adverse consequences to lockdowns : Tragedy: 1 MILLION more Brits have become alcoholics since Covid lockdowns began https://notthebee.com/article/nearly-1-million-more-brits-addicted-to-alcohol-since-covid-lockdowns-began- https://notthebee.com/article/nearly-1-million-more-brits-ad...
- duskwuff 5y ago
  Do you have any direct source for that statistic? The article that you've linked to is the Babylon Bee -- a site best known for their satire and fake articles -- lifting some infographics from an (uncited) article in the Daily Mail. Neither of these sources inspires confidence.
  - jmnicolas 5y ago
    Sorry I saw this circulate a few days ago and linked the first thing I found on DDG. I have no reason to think it's fake news.
    - bellyfullofbac 5y ago
      > I have no reason to think it's fake news. Very sound logic (/s)! With this sort of reasoning people invaded the Capitol on January 6th, because they were certain their country was about to be taken over by a Chinese-backed coup. Guess what, they also think what they heard was legitimate, and they think their reasoning work(ed) perfectly fine.
    - belltaco 5y ago
      Everything in Babylon Bee is 100% satire and fake. It's used as a fake news source by people wanting to spread misinformation.
      - CrazyPyroLinux 5y ago
        But the running joke is that it often turns out becoming true. That's why they spun off NotTheBee to do real news. https://www.gov.uk/government/news/alcoholic-liver-deaths-increased-by-21-during-year-of-the-pandemic https://www.gov.uk/government/news/alcoholic-liver-deaths-in...
      - kQq9oHeAz6wLLS 5y ago
        I'm always amazed when people try and use The Bee as a legit source of misinformation. They make no bones that they're a satire site. Folks gotta be pretty gullible to not see that.
  - CrazyPyroLinux 5y ago
    What about this one? https://www.gov.uk/government/news/alcoholic-liver-deaths-increased-by-21-during-year-of-the-pandemic https://www.gov.uk/government/news/alcoholic-liver-deaths-in...
    - duskwuff 5y ago
      That actually says something subtly different than what the other article was claiming. Not only does it point to the pandemic as a whole as a cause rather than lockdowns in particular, as the Babylon Bee article did, but it suggests that the most problematic changes in behavior were increases in drinking among people who were already heavy drinkers, not people "becoming alcoholics" who didn't previously have a drinking problem.
- afuchs 5y ago
  > ... https://notthebee.com/article/nearly-1-million-more-brits-addicted-to-alcohol-since-covid-lockdowns-began- https://notthebee.com/article/nearly-1-million-more-brits-ad... This is very clearly a link to a satirical comedy site (in the same category as The Onion).
  - CrazyPyroLinux 5y ago
    Actually, notthebee.com is very clearly not babylonbee.com "Not the Bee is a humor-based news, opinion, and entertainment site from the creators of The Babylon Bee and Disrn. Like the name suggests, it'll feature some absurd and hilarious (but real) news that seems like it should definitely be satire."[0] That link that apparently got @jmnicolas flagged, actually does cite an external source[1] which says, "the alcohol-related death rate increasing by 20 per cent in 2020 to the highest level since records began.[...] PHE data showed there were 6,893 deaths blamed on alcohol in 2020, compared to 5,819 in 2019 before the virus reached Britain." (edit) This seems to be backed up by a gov.uk press release.[2](/edit) NotTheBee definitely has a opinion/bias to their articles [3] but I don't think it deserves to be called "fake news." [0]https://notthebee.com/article/welcome-to-not-the-bee https://notthebee.com/article/welcome-to-not-the-bee [1]https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-9884297/Covid-19-UK-Nearly-one-million-people-England-addicted-alcohol-pandemic.html https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-9884297/Covid-19-... [2] https://www.gov.uk/government/news/alcoholic-liver-deaths-increased-by-21-during-year-of-the-pandemic https://www.gov.uk/government/news/alcoholic-liver-deaths-in... [3]https://notthebee.com/article/check-out-all-these-crazy-conspiracy-theorists-fighting-off-their-loving-government-in-australia https://notthebee.com/article/check-out-all-these-crazy-cons...
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- elygre 5y ago
  Ref this > Sorry I saw this circulate a few days ago and linked the first thing I found on DDG. > I have no reason to think it's fake news. I think the expectation is that you should have a reason to think that it's not fake news before spreading it.
spookthesunset 5y ago
And what, pray tell is a “proper lockdown”? I hardly think NZ and AU are places to copy.
- another_story 5y ago
  Taiwan had only a few weeks of full lockdown last year, and then a few months of softer lockdown during the second outbreak this year. During the recent outbreak it was WFH and takeout from restaurants with certain businesses closed. About 100 days later most things are open again. They resisted a full lockdown and doubled down on contact tracing. Went from 500+ cases a day to just a few now.
  - nickthemagicman 5y ago
    Contact Tracing sounds like an Orwellian nightmare.
    - another_story 5y ago
      Contact tracing is looking for people that came in contact with infected individuals. When a coworker gets covid they investigate where they went and who they came in contact with so that person can get tested. Not sure how that is Orwellian. What people would consider Orwellian is the app you can use to scan in at places. That's voluntary, but almost everyone uses it and you still have to sign in on paper if you don't. Personally, I don't mind. We all carry around GPS tracking devices every day, and it's silly to think that governments can't already track those. Even with GPS off you can be tracked if hitting wifi or different cell towers.
    - kQq9oHeAz6wLLS 5y ago
      Honestly, it all sounds like an Orwellian nightmare
      - nickthemagicman 5y ago
        Good point. Phew. Slowly being normalized.
barry-cotter 5y ago
You mean Israel and nowhere else, yes? Because nowhere in Europe had lockdown so short. Australia managed to make all its work for nothing by comprehensively fucking up the vaccine rollout.
mrlagmer 5y ago
Victoria took 110 days of lockdown to get back to "normal" in lockdown number 2. We are now on lockdown number 6 and have spent over 200 days in lockdown. Can't go more than 5km at current have a 9pm curfew. I would not say it is working well.
- skocznymroczny 5y ago
  It depends on the perspective. From government's perspective it's working as intended.
tdfx 5y ago
You mean places like Australia, that are still in strict lockdowns 18 months later and deploying soldiers to ensure people aren't leaving their house without government permission? It boggles my mind that some people desire to live in a system like that.
- jmopp 5y ago
  I've been barely outside at all over the past 18 months because the risk of infection has been too high. I would rather have a short, strict lockdown (followed by a period of being open with extremely low infection risk) than the long, drawn-out yo-yo lockdowns (where we lock down too late and open up too early - meaning community transmission remains high) we've been having. Better to rip the band-aid off quickly than slowly.
  - tdfx 5y ago
    > I've been barely outside at all over the past 18 months because the risk of infection has been too high. I'm truly sorry you've had to go through that. My mom has a compromised immune system so she went through much of the same until she was able to get vaccinated. I still worry about what would happen to her with a breakthrough infection. > I would rather have a short, strict lockdown (followed by a period of being open with extremely low infection risk) If that was a choice, I'd gladly take it. But Hong Kong, Australia, Vietnam, etc. have shown that even the best lockdown implementations fail eventually. New Zealand may be the single outlier, but I'm not sure what their end game is as it requires completely sealing their country from the rest of the world, which is also unsustainable.

Notice the article doesn't mention countries where proper lockdown worked very well and took only around 100 days.

by jchook 5y ago

Notice the article doesn't mention countries where proper lockdown worked very well and took only around 100 days.

It's not like there are no adverse consequences to lockdowns : Tragedy: 1 MILLION more Brits have become alcoholics since Covid lockdowns began https://notthebee.com/article/nearly-1-million-more-brits-addicted-to-alcohol-since-covid-lockdowns-began- https://notthebee.com/article/nearly-1-million-more-brits-ad...

duskwuff 5y ago
Do you have any direct source for that statistic? The article that you've linked to is the Babylon Bee -- a site best known for their satire and fake articles -- lifting some infographics from an (uncited) article in the Daily Mail. Neither of these sources inspires confidence.
- jmnicolas 5y ago
  Sorry I saw this circulate a few days ago and linked the first thing I found on DDG. I have no reason to think it's fake news.
  - bellyfullofbac 5y ago
    > I have no reason to think it's fake news. Very sound logic (/s)! With this sort of reasoning people invaded the Capitol on January 6th, because they were certain their country was about to be taken over by a Chinese-backed coup. Guess what, they also think what they heard was legitimate, and they think their reasoning work(ed) perfectly fine.
  - belltaco 5y ago
    Everything in Babylon Bee is 100% satire and fake. It's used as a fake news source by people wanting to spread misinformation.
    - CrazyPyroLinux 5y ago
      But the running joke is that it often turns out becoming true. That's why they spun off NotTheBee to do real news. https://www.gov.uk/government/news/alcoholic-liver-deaths-increased-by-21-during-year-of-the-pandemic https://www.gov.uk/government/news/alcoholic-liver-deaths-in...
    - kQq9oHeAz6wLLS 5y ago
      I'm always amazed when people try and use The Bee as a legit source of misinformation. They make no bones that they're a satire site. Folks gotta be pretty gullible to not see that.
- CrazyPyroLinux 5y ago
  What about this one? https://www.gov.uk/government/news/alcoholic-liver-deaths-increased-by-21-during-year-of-the-pandemic https://www.gov.uk/government/news/alcoholic-liver-deaths-in...
  - duskwuff 5y ago
    That actually says something subtly different than what the other article was claiming. Not only does it point to the pandemic as a whole as a cause rather than lockdowns in particular, as the Babylon Bee article did, but it suggests that the most problematic changes in behavior were increases in drinking among people who were already heavy drinkers, not people "becoming alcoholics" who didn't previously have a drinking problem.
afuchs 5y ago
> ... https://notthebee.com/article/nearly-1-million-more-brits-addicted-to-alcohol-since-covid-lockdowns-began- https://notthebee.com/article/nearly-1-million-more-brits-ad... This is very clearly a link to a satirical comedy site (in the same category as The Onion).
- CrazyPyroLinux 5y ago
  Actually, notthebee.com is very clearly not babylonbee.com "Not the Bee is a humor-based news, opinion, and entertainment site from the creators of The Babylon Bee and Disrn. Like the name suggests, it'll feature some absurd and hilarious (but real) news that seems like it should definitely be satire."[0] That link that apparently got @jmnicolas flagged, actually does cite an external source[1] which says, "the alcohol-related death rate increasing by 20 per cent in 2020 to the highest level since records began.[...] PHE data showed there were 6,893 deaths blamed on alcohol in 2020, compared to 5,819 in 2019 before the virus reached Britain." (edit) This seems to be backed up by a gov.uk press release.[2](/edit) NotTheBee definitely has a opinion/bias to their articles [3] but I don't think it deserves to be called "fake news." [0]https://notthebee.com/article/welcome-to-not-the-bee https://notthebee.com/article/welcome-to-not-the-bee [1]https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-9884297/Covid-19-UK-Nearly-one-million-people-England-addicted-alcohol-pandemic.html https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-9884297/Covid-19-... [2] https://www.gov.uk/government/news/alcoholic-liver-deaths-increased-by-21-during-year-of-the-pandemic https://www.gov.uk/government/news/alcoholic-liver-deaths-in... [3]https://notthebee.com/article/check-out-all-these-crazy-conspiracy-theorists-fighting-off-their-loving-government-in-australia https://notthebee.com/article/check-out-all-these-crazy-cons...
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elygre 5y ago
Ref this > Sorry I saw this circulate a few days ago and linked the first thing I found on DDG. > I have no reason to think it's fake news. I think the expectation is that you should have a reason to think that it's not fake news before spreading it.

spookthesunset 5y ago

And what, pray tell is a “proper lockdown”? I hardly think NZ and AU are places to copy.

another_story 5y ago
Taiwan had only a few weeks of full lockdown last year, and then a few months of softer lockdown during the second outbreak this year. During the recent outbreak it was WFH and takeout from restaurants with certain businesses closed. About 100 days later most things are open again. They resisted a full lockdown and doubled down on contact tracing. Went from 500+ cases a day to just a few now.
- nickthemagicman 5y ago
  Contact Tracing sounds like an Orwellian nightmare.
  - another_story 5y ago
    Contact tracing is looking for people that came in contact with infected individuals. When a coworker gets covid they investigate where they went and who they came in contact with so that person can get tested. Not sure how that is Orwellian. What people would consider Orwellian is the app you can use to scan in at places. That's voluntary, but almost everyone uses it and you still have to sign in on paper if you don't. Personally, I don't mind. We all carry around GPS tracking devices every day, and it's silly to think that governments can't already track those. Even with GPS off you can be tracked if hitting wifi or different cell towers.
  - kQq9oHeAz6wLLS 5y ago
    Honestly, it all sounds like an Orwellian nightmare
    - nickthemagicman 5y ago
      Good point. Phew. Slowly being normalized.

barry-cotter 5y ago

You mean Israel and nowhere else, yes? Because nowhere in Europe had lockdown so short. Australia managed to make all its work for nothing by comprehensively fucking up the vaccine rollout.

mrlagmer 5y ago

Victoria took 110 days of lockdown to get back to "normal" in lockdown number 2. We are now on lockdown number 6 and have spent over 200 days in lockdown. Can't go more than 5km at current have a 9pm curfew. I would not say it is working well.

skocznymroczny 5y ago
It depends on the perspective. From government's perspective it's working as intended.

tdfx 5y ago

You mean places like Australia, that are still in strict lockdowns 18 months later and deploying soldiers to ensure people aren't leaving their house without government permission? It boggles my mind that some people desire to live in a system like that.

jmopp 5y ago
I've been barely outside at all over the past 18 months because the risk of infection has been too high. I would rather have a short, strict lockdown (followed by a period of being open with extremely low infection risk) than the long, drawn-out yo-yo lockdowns (where we lock down too late and open up too early - meaning community transmission remains high) we've been having. Better to rip the band-aid off quickly than slowly.
- tdfx 5y ago
  > I've been barely outside at all over the past 18 months because the risk of infection has been too high. I'm truly sorry you've had to go through that. My mom has a compromised immune system so she went through much of the same until she was able to get vaccinated. I still worry about what would happen to her with a breakthrough infection. > I would rather have a short, strict lockdown (followed by a period of being open with extremely low infection risk) If that was a choice, I'd gladly take it. But Hong Kong, Australia, Vietnam, etc. have shown that even the best lockdown implementations fail eventually. New Zealand may be the single outlier, but I'm not sure what their end game is as it requires completely sealing their country from the rest of the world, which is also unsustainable.