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> "The biggest problem from my PoV is that people seem like they are always absolutely sure that the contemporary understanding of morals is actually correct, u
by ThrowawayR2 5y ago
> "The biggest problem from my PoV is that people seem like they are always absolutely sure that the contemporary understanding of morals is actually correct, unlike the primitive beliefs of the past, and that there's nothing left to challenge."
If they claim to be on the left, point out to them that that type of worldview is actually a form of conservatism. Quoting from Wikipedia, "Traditionalist conservatism places a strong emphasis on the notions of custom, convention, and tradition." and note that "customs
[and] convention" is the same as the "social norms" argument trotted out by the modern left to defend their activities.
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- burnished 5y agoI don't get it, what is that supposed to do?
- AnimalMuppet 5y ago"Owning the libs", in a way that won't actually change their minds, but will make the speaker feel smarter and righter. In other words, nothing useful.
- KittenInABox 5y agoWhat do you do if they claim to be on the right? Or if they claim that they're not political at all, they're just stating facts? (Genuinely asking!)
- hume_annoyed 5y agoAsk them about what they know they don't know and you might get a chance to understand their understanding. Different conclusions should come from differing, random selections of life experiences. Calling a conservative a conservative would not have the same effect as with an avowed liberal, but on that point, if you can find out and point out what more commonly liberal beliefs they hold, you might chide them enough to think outside the (non-)party lines.
- ThrowawayR2 5y agoFor the right, conservatism is their schtick so there's no criticism to be made. One can (and should) disagree with their beliefs but the contents of the box is exactly what the label says it is, so to speak. It's the new left who claim to be on the side of liberals but whose continue to espouse illiberal beliefs that need to be called out as to what they are.
- vncecartersknee 5y agoSorry, what does "Traditionalist conservatism places a strong emphasis on the notions of custom, convention, and tradition." have to do with the left?
- cubano 5y agoIf what you are trying to say is that what's new and modern today will someday, probably sooner then later, be old and "normed" tomorrow, then yes...absolutely this will be the case. This understanding is the basis of the Right's "slippery slope" argument...that in normalizing behaviors today that yesterday were considered "wrong", they tomorrow can we expect ever more and more outrageous behaviors to follow this same template? The answer is, of course, yes.
- teddyh 5y agoIt is my belief that many, if not most, people believe themselves to having never changed their opinion, even though they have done so many times. To admit to yourself that you once were wrong is to admit that you were imperfect; it is easier to believe that you have always thought what you currently believe. And, consequently, if you have never changed opinions, your current understanding of things must therefore be correct and unchanging, and policy can be written and implemented with this assumption. In a way, it is the antithesis of science.