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What "excess 10k dead"? Sweden basically only reported excess mortality in early 2020 and since then it has a mortality deficit.

varjag 5y ago
Sweden has ~14k official COVID deaths. Neighbouring Norway, at half the population and a moderate lockdown/PPE policy, has ~800 COVID deaths. The culture, climate, population density and demographics are very close. All these extra Swedes died for sheer ineptitude of their government. There's hardly any difference in economic impact either.
- ptr 5y ago
  The socioeconomic group that had the most deaths were people of foreign background aged 65 or more. Maybe Sweden just has a proportionally larger group of those?
- lazyjones 5y ago
  Covid deaths aren't the same as "excess deaths". It's just one of many causes of deaths over a year. Excess deaths is the difference between expected (typically an average of the past 5 years) and actual number of deaths in a year. IOW, due to the circumstances, excess deaths can be 0 despite Covid deaths being > 0.
- Dwelve 5y ago
  Just so we are clear. You're saying that if Covid didn't kill anybody, Sweden would have seen [1] 97k - 14k == 83k deaths in the year of 2020? [1] https://www.statista.com/statistics/525353/sweden-number-of-deaths/ https://www.statista.com/statistics/525353/sweden-number-of-...
ctvo 5y ago
I’m genuinely curious: Couldn’t a quick Google give you this data? Where did you get your position from? Lots of folks have post fact information these days, based on FB articles and other sources, but how did you end up with yours as a long time user here?
- lazyjones 5y ago
  I am not sure what parts of my post you have issues with. https://www.scb.se/en/About-us/news-and-press-releases/excess-mortality-in-sweden-is-followed-by-mortality-deficit/ https://www.scb.se/en/About-us/news-and-press-releases/exces...
- MatteoFrigo 5y ago
  One good source of excess mortality data for a large part of Europe (plus Israel for some reason) is at https://euromomo.eu/graphs-and-maps/ https://euromomo.eu/graphs-and-maps/, which also groups data by age in addition to country. It may come as a surprise that, in the area covered by this source, excess mortality for children age 0-14 was actually negative in 2020.

varjag 5y ago

Sweden has ~14k official COVID deaths. Neighbouring Norway, at half the population and a moderate lockdown/PPE policy, has ~800 COVID deaths. The culture, climate, population density and demographics are very close. All these extra Swedes died for sheer ineptitude of their government. There's hardly any difference in economic impact either.

ptr 5y ago
The socioeconomic group that had the most deaths were people of foreign background aged 65 or more. Maybe Sweden just has a proportionally larger group of those?
lazyjones 5y ago
Covid deaths aren't the same as "excess deaths". It's just one of many causes of deaths over a year. Excess deaths is the difference between expected (typically an average of the past 5 years) and actual number of deaths in a year. IOW, due to the circumstances, excess deaths can be 0 despite Covid deaths being > 0.
Dwelve 5y ago
Just so we are clear. You're saying that if Covid didn't kill anybody, Sweden would have seen [1] 97k - 14k == 83k deaths in the year of 2020? [1] https://www.statista.com/statistics/525353/sweden-number-of-deaths/ https://www.statista.com/statistics/525353/sweden-number-of-...

ctvo 5y ago

I’m genuinely curious: Couldn’t a quick Google give you this data? Where did you get your position from? Lots of folks have post fact information these days, based on FB articles and other sources, but how did you end up with yours as a long time user here?

lazyjones 5y ago
I am not sure what parts of my post you have issues with. https://www.scb.se/en/About-us/news-and-press-releases/excess-mortality-in-sweden-is-followed-by-mortality-deficit/ https://www.scb.se/en/About-us/news-and-press-releases/exces...
MatteoFrigo 5y ago
One good source of excess mortality data for a large part of Europe (plus Israel for some reason) is at https://euromomo.eu/graphs-and-maps/ https://euromomo.eu/graphs-and-maps/, which also groups data by age in addition to country. It may come as a surprise that, in the area covered by this source, excess mortality for children age 0-14 was actually negative in 2020.