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It really is. The machines are highly sophisticated and downtime is very costly. Code bases are heavily documented and have a bureaucratic process to protect th
by whazor 5y ago
It really is. The machines are highly sophisticated and downtime is very costly. Code bases are heavily documented and have a bureaucratic process to protect them. ASML does have less crucial software projects that have a more normal process.
- burntoutfire 5y agoSome of the jobs look pretty cool, can you share what is the salary range to be expected? The website is silent about that, which in Europe almost always means underwhelming numbers.
- whazor 5y agoI have heard they pay in the higher end of Dutch companies, which is still underwhelming especially compared to FAANG.
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- mark_mart 5y agoYes they pay pretty well. 13 salary, instead 12.(travel bonus)
- Dma54rhs 5y agoThey pay much better in USA where they also hire. SE salaries are obviously a lot smaller in Europe, thinking about FAAMG numbers is fairytales :)
- saddlerustle 5y agoOptiver hires in Amsterdam with comparable compensation to top US companies.
- sabas123 5y agoOptiver works in a vastly different and super tiny sector (in employee count) which is renowned for having higher salaries than any other sector (including tech) and is a massive outlier.
- saddlerustle 5y agoYes, though there's also a couple other examples. In my experience the biggest barrier to europeans getting fairly compensated is just that people believe it's impossible and so don't seek out the industries that do.
- Avalaxy 5y agoUnrelated to this thread, but I always found 'optiver' such a weird name for a Dutch company. Sounds to me like "optiefer". "Optiefen" is a Dutch way of saying "fuck off".
- Marciplan 5y agoA Dutch person wouldn’t be “able” to read Optiver in a Dutch way, though :p
- TimonKnigge 5y agoOPTIe VERkoop :-)
- zoover2020 5y agoCheck Blind
- burntoutfire 5y agoThere's no salaries breakdown by country, which makes the data useless for finding out how my they pay in the Netherlands.
- teekert 5y agoOf course you will just get help when you get cancer and homeless people get help when they need it. It takes some money away from the higher paying jobs, and may make the salary underwhelming compared to the US. But then again, you won’t need a million dollar house in the right neighborhood to get your kids into a decent school.
- dan-robertson 5y agoThe US has taxes too (and their government does plenty of throwing money at things.) And many companies there still pay for health insurance. I think this argument doesn’t really make sense: taxes or other costs of doing business don’t sufficiently explain the difference in pay.
- teekert 5y agoThe wealth gap is a lot bigger in the US and here you can walk into a hospital even when you’re homeless and leave debt free. Anyone can apply for social security of about 1000 eur/month. People are only homeless when they have mental issues preventing them from following the steps to get them out and they can get help at any point. This is pretty different from the US.
- dan-robertson 5y agoI don’t disagree with what you wrote but I don’t understand what it has to do with differences in software engineer salaries between the US and the Netherlands.
- Agingcoder 5y agoI think GP meant more taxes to cover for country infrastructure (roads, power, etc) , schools, universities, health insurance, pensions, ie the 'all inclusive for everyone' package which is more common in Europe than in the US. Some of these taxes are paid for by employers. Edit:and they cover costs for everyone, including non employees (they're generic taxes, not employer-funded health insurance). So you have 'not the whole population' funding the whole population. Basically, it's more expensive for the company to hire you, so you get less. I remember talking to a company which could hire me either in the US or in the EU. US paid better because cost of employment was lower, but at the expense of an overall less complete package for me and my family which I would have had to complete with my own money . In the end, you can't really compare raw salaries - you need to look at what's included, and what kind of cost of living you will incur.
- mark_mart 5y agoI am a contractor who works for them, but have lots of friends working as direct employee. (Netherlands, software engineer mostly) They pay you 12+1 salaries (1=you get half of your salary as bonus 2 times per year, as vacation bonus). You get 40 days of vacation (Netherlands has 25 days of vacation standard, %99 of companies)so people are very relaxed. ASML is able relocate you from another country, moving all your house (I think it was up to €5.000 costs). Bringing family etc. They show you around city, assign a guide to explore city, help for municipality stuff etc. They also give a temporary (2months) accommodation until you find a place, or until they move your house. They always hire because they are growing all the time. They have people working since 20 years or even 25 years. To me, frankly, it's like the Google of the Netherlands, because some people try to get hired by them and retire there. It's a good company in my experience.
- dvdgsng 5y agoDo you know if they offer remote jobs?
- mark_mart 5y agoIf you are contractor, it's possible (some contractor companies offer). But it also depends on position. They are constructing a new building to gather all people working together. So I imagine next year or so they will be more against about remote.
- burntoutfire 5y agoThanks for elaborating on all the perks, but frankly your posts misses the most important bit of info, namely the salary ranges. I don't care about vacations or relocation package if the salary is mediocre and I have to work there until I'm old (i.e. if they don't pay enough for me to save money and retire early/earlish).
- Fronzie 5y agoThe salary is typically 10% higher than the other big companies in the area (Philips, NXP and Thermo Fisher). Your expectations about early retirement are probably not met by what they offer.