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Edit: I am wrong. The population density of the Stockholm urban area is 4200 (2019), not 400 as I originally said. That number is for the county, not the munici

by alecst 5y ago

Edit: I am wrong. The population density of the Stockholm urban area is 4200 (2019), not 400 as I originally said. That number is for the county, not the municipal area. Leaving the rest of the comment so others can learn. Clearly the population density of Stockholm, which holds about 10% of the Swedish population, is not the relevant factor. > Of course he has to say it couldn't have worked in the UK. I'm guessing he didn't say it because he didn't think it was true. In Stockholm there are ~400 people per square km. In Milan there are 2000, in Madrid there are 5400, in London there are 5700, and in Paris there are 20,000. This detail alone -- ignoring other cultural and demographic differences between northern and southern Europe -- could be enough on its own to soften the blow.

wk_end 5y ago
That’s the population density of Stockholm county. The population density of the city of Stockholm is 5200 per square km.
- alecst 5y ago
  You are right. I am wrong. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stockholm_urban_area https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stockholm_urban_area I find ~4200 on Wikipedia but your point stands.
  - wk_end 5y ago
    FWIW, the main Wikipedia page on Stockholm lists a “Density” of ~5200, an “Urban Density” of ~4200 and a “Metro Density” of ~400. I admittedly don’t know which is the most useful one here. Population density metrics are tricky. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stockholm https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stockholm And not to be too scold-y, but 400 people per sq km is the population density of small middle-American towns. I know Stockholm isn’t the biggest city by any means, but it’s still a national capital and a cosmopolitan old-world city; a moment of reflection tells you it’s gotta be denser than, like, Little Falls, Minnesota.
    - alecst 5y ago
      Definitely a learning moment for me. Means that the question of Sweden may not be so simple. That said, most of the population doesn’t live in Stockholm, so that probably was not the right idea to start to begin with. As another commenter pointed out, Sweden did worse than its neighbors who have a similar population distribution, and I think that's the more interesting take.
jeltz 5y ago
As someone who lives in Stockholm and who has visited Milan multiple times I would say both cities have a pretty similar population density and any difference you might see will be due to how the city borders are selected. Neither city is particularly dense or particularly sparse.

by alecst 5y ago

wk_end 5y ago

That’s the population density of Stockholm county. The population density of the city of Stockholm is 5200 per square km.

alecst 5y ago
You are right. I am wrong. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stockholm_urban_area https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stockholm_urban_area I find ~4200 on Wikipedia but your point stands.
- wk_end 5y ago
  FWIW, the main Wikipedia page on Stockholm lists a “Density” of ~5200, an “Urban Density” of ~4200 and a “Metro Density” of ~400. I admittedly don’t know which is the most useful one here. Population density metrics are tricky. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stockholm https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stockholm And not to be too scold-y, but 400 people per sq km is the population density of small middle-American towns. I know Stockholm isn’t the biggest city by any means, but it’s still a national capital and a cosmopolitan old-world city; a moment of reflection tells you it’s gotta be denser than, like, Little Falls, Minnesota.
  - alecst 5y ago
    Definitely a learning moment for me. Means that the question of Sweden may not be so simple. That said, most of the population doesn’t live in Stockholm, so that probably was not the right idea to start to begin with. As another commenter pointed out, Sweden did worse than its neighbors who have a similar population distribution, and I think that's the more interesting take.

jeltz 5y ago

As someone who lives in Stockholm and who has visited Milan multiple times I would say both cities have a pretty similar population density and any difference you might see will be due to how the city borders are selected. Neither city is particularly dense or particularly sparse.