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Add to this that babies born during lockdown have found to have a significant lower IQ. “It’s not subtle by any stretch,” said Deoni. “You don’t typically see

by adevx 5y ago

Add to this that babies born during lockdown have found to have a significant lower IQ. “It’s not subtle by any stretch,” said Deoni. “You don’t typically see things like that, outside of major cognitive disorders.” I think we vastly underestimate the severe long-term effects of lockdowns. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/aug/12/children-born-during-pandemic-have-lower-iqs-us-study-finds https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/aug/12/children-born-...

UncleOxidant 5y ago
Your link doesn't seem to go anywhere. Also, how accurate are IQ tests on 1 year old and younger babies? I'm not sure why IQs would be lower (if indeed this is the case) - parents are still around. In fact parents have been more often around during the pandemic given the increase in work from home policies.
- adevx 5y ago
  I've updated the link to a non-amp link. Details of the study can be found here: https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.08.10.21261846v1.full.pdf https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.08.10.21261846v...
  - soared 5y ago
    Pretty interesting read and it does make sense intuitively. My few thoughts after skimming it that I'd like to learn more about: Does these scores correlate to scores 10 years later/etc, or should we expect these children to recover? > However, since all study visits take place in a clinical setting, parents less concerned about the pandemic, and those with strong social support networks, may have been more likely to participate than those with greater concerns. This seems pretty impactful to me. If you consider that people more worried about the pandemic were avoiding doctor visits, and the study showed parent's education reduced the effect they saw... They kind of glossed over the fact that children born just before the pandemic didn't have lower scores. I'm curious about that since the first few weeks/months for newborns they are not leaving the house much, so a pandemic shouldn't have changed a whole lot there. Why were they immune if the stages were they would've expected to start leaving the house (4+ months) were taken away, just like babies born during the pandemic?
    - adevx 5y ago
      Good questions, I think a lot more research has to be done on this subject. "Does these scores correlate to scores 10 years later/etc, or should we expect these children to recover?" It may sound like a silly comparison, but puppies need to be challenged and introduced to experiences in the first weeks as there is a limited window of opportunity to stimulate neural development which results in brain development. During the first eight weeks of age, skills not acquired may be lost forever. Maybe similar to how children can easily pick up a (new) language, but learning a language at a later age is a real struggle.
- Dwelve 5y ago
  Why are you people even picking these fights. Are you SERIOUSLY doubting that the past year of isolation and reduced interaction and reduced opportunities for training immune systems will have an impact on infants? Like, is this your actual position?
  - UncleOxidant 5y ago
    Older kids, yes. There will be effects. Infants? Probably the least impacted group.
dmingod666 5y ago
How do you measure baby IQ?

by adevx 5y ago

UncleOxidant 5y ago

Your link doesn't seem to go anywhere. Also, how accurate are IQ tests on 1 year old and younger babies? I'm not sure why IQs would be lower (if indeed this is the case) - parents are still around. In fact parents have been more often around during the pandemic given the increase in work from home policies.

adevx 5y ago
I've updated the link to a non-amp link. Details of the study can be found here: https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.08.10.21261846v1.full.pdf https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.08.10.21261846v...
- soared 5y ago
  Pretty interesting read and it does make sense intuitively. My few thoughts after skimming it that I'd like to learn more about: Does these scores correlate to scores 10 years later/etc, or should we expect these children to recover? > However, since all study visits take place in a clinical setting, parents less concerned about the pandemic, and those with strong social support networks, may have been more likely to participate than those with greater concerns. This seems pretty impactful to me. If you consider that people more worried about the pandemic were avoiding doctor visits, and the study showed parent's education reduced the effect they saw... They kind of glossed over the fact that children born just before the pandemic didn't have lower scores. I'm curious about that since the first few weeks/months for newborns they are not leaving the house much, so a pandemic shouldn't have changed a whole lot there. Why were they immune if the stages were they would've expected to start leaving the house (4+ months) were taken away, just like babies born during the pandemic?
  - adevx 5y ago
    Good questions, I think a lot more research has to be done on this subject. "Does these scores correlate to scores 10 years later/etc, or should we expect these children to recover?" It may sound like a silly comparison, but puppies need to be challenged and introduced to experiences in the first weeks as there is a limited window of opportunity to stimulate neural development which results in brain development. During the first eight weeks of age, skills not acquired may be lost forever. Maybe similar to how children can easily pick up a (new) language, but learning a language at a later age is a real struggle.
Dwelve 5y ago
Why are you people even picking these fights. Are you SERIOUSLY doubting that the past year of isolation and reduced interaction and reduced opportunities for training immune systems will have an impact on infants? Like, is this your actual position?
- UncleOxidant 5y ago
  Older kids, yes. There will be effects. Infants? Probably the least impacted group.

dmingod666 5y ago

How do you measure baby IQ?