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I think it explains why the established automakers don't take any of the aspiring automakers from tech seriously. They know how hard it is to supply, assemble,

I think it explains why the established automakers don't take any of the aspiring automakers from tech seriously. They know how hard it is to supply, assemble, and mass produce a car, and they know how little investment to desire there is from big tech to be better at that aspect. It doesn't matter how good your product is if you can't actually ship it.

AtlasBarfed 5y ago
You basically are describing big auto's attitude towards Tesla 10 years ago. Look at where big auto is now. Terrified, and behind by 10 years. And by terrified I mean their CEOs. Do you think the BMW CEO would still have his job if he didn't squander their EV efforts that started about 15 years ago? The BMW CEO getting bounced was the warning shot that made every automaker executive sit up and realize: my company either has an EV platform program underway, or the investors will bounce me. If they are still not taking Tesla (to a lesser degree Rivian and Lucid) seriously, they're in big denial at this point. GM and VW have basically woken up. Ford and Mercedes are toe-dipping. BMW seems paralyzed by internal management dissent,
- mike_d 5y ago
  Look where Tesla is now. At every step that have faced production consistency and reliability issues. They flat out suck at making cars and have 20 years of quality engineering learnings to catch up on. Consumer Reports 2021 report puts Tesla in 16th place among US car brands. In JD Powers 2021 Dependability Study Tesla came in 30th, followed only by Jaguar, Alfa Romero, and Land Rover.
  - mostdataisnice 5y ago
    Underrated truth - have owned a Tesla for 5 years, and the number of stupid things that go wrong with it is incredibly high. It works like a phone...after a number of years, it takes forever to boot and has plethora of bugs. Random stuff breaks/falls off. We're going to see even more of this in 10 years, as the cars that were produced during the scaling period start falling apart. What sets automakers apart is that you can buy a used car after 10 years and expect it to still work.
- johnny53169 5y ago
  > Terrified, and behind by 10 years. Terrified? When Tesla will sell more cars maybe, they are badly lagging against virtually any other car maker, let alone all of them.

AtlasBarfed 5y ago

You basically are describing big auto's attitude towards Tesla 10 years ago. Look at where big auto is now. Terrified, and behind by 10 years. And by terrified I mean their CEOs. Do you think the BMW CEO would still have his job if he didn't squander their EV efforts that started about 15 years ago? The BMW CEO getting bounced was the warning shot that made every automaker executive sit up and realize: my company either has an EV platform program underway, or the investors will bounce me. If they are still not taking Tesla (to a lesser degree Rivian and Lucid) seriously, they're in big denial at this point. GM and VW have basically woken up. Ford and Mercedes are toe-dipping. BMW seems paralyzed by internal management dissent,

mike_d 5y ago
Look where Tesla is now. At every step that have faced production consistency and reliability issues. They flat out suck at making cars and have 20 years of quality engineering learnings to catch up on. Consumer Reports 2021 report puts Tesla in 16th place among US car brands. In JD Powers 2021 Dependability Study Tesla came in 30th, followed only by Jaguar, Alfa Romero, and Land Rover.
- mostdataisnice 5y ago
  Underrated truth - have owned a Tesla for 5 years, and the number of stupid things that go wrong with it is incredibly high. It works like a phone...after a number of years, it takes forever to boot and has plethora of bugs. Random stuff breaks/falls off. We're going to see even more of this in 10 years, as the cars that were produced during the scaling period start falling apart. What sets automakers apart is that you can buy a used car after 10 years and expect it to still work.
johnny53169 5y ago
> Terrified, and behind by 10 years. Terrified? When Tesla will sell more cars maybe, they are badly lagging against virtually any other car maker, let alone all of them.