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Just have two phones. Problem solved. Drive a vehicle without onstar or cellular connection.

sircastor 5y ago
Wouldn’t the second phone put you at the scene of the crime? As an aside, working for an automotive manufacturer (my opinions are my own and doing reflect my employer, etc) I think were rapidly approaching a time when all new vehicles will have a built-in cellular connection.
- moistly 5y ago
  And remote engine kill. This will be used to prevent upset citizens from attending protests, riots, and other forms of civilian uprising.
  - yborg 5y ago
    Yes, because law enforcement would want tens of thousands of vehicles disabled in the roadways to obstruct their ability to do anything.
    - moistly 5y ago
      You won’t even make it to the highway.
- rolph 5y ago
  someone i know bought a chevy cruze , yup cell ?phone? integrated into the console. antenna and lead, gone , circuit trace to antenna input severed and sent to ground, power lead for SOIC desoldered and given manual toggle.
- post_break 5y ago
  The second phone would, but if you're smart you would cycle through burners, never take it home with you, never carry it with your main. Prepaid phones are cheap. It also doesn't take much to rip onstar out of vehicles considering how many of them go from Texas to Mexico.
wyager 5y ago
NHTSA keeps mandating new tech crap in cars on extremely questionable putatively utilitarian models. Infotainment systems are effectively mandatory now. The recent "infrastructure" bill also included language about investigating mandatory DUI-detection technology in new cars. Getting a vehicle without cellular is going to be impossible soon. My 2020 Tacoma (a pretty bare-bones pickup) even has a cellular modem.
- akomtu 5y ago
  Just disconnect the antenna?
  - wyager 5y ago
    It throws an error code, meaning you fail inspection in many states.
    - akomtu 5y ago
      I didn't know there are such inspections.
  - csunbird 5y ago
    Cellular is required for the car to be able to automatically call emergency services in case of an accident. It is mandatory for new cars in Europe for a while.
    - akomtu 5y ago
      So it's like a Japanese sword? You carry it all your life to use it once? Except that the European sword spys on its owner. Dump it.
- hellbannedguy 5y ago
  I sometimes wonder if government really wants to end DUI's. I know it sounds crazy. I just see the amount of money marginal dui's bring into counties. I might buy a vechicle that didn't let me drive if over .08%. I would love to be able to drive after 10:30 pm, without a cop tailing me, looking for a marginal dui. (In Marin County, don't drive through here after 10:30 pm. Cops gave literally nothing to do, except look for marginal dui's. There used to be a app called Trapster, but it was never implemented properly. You might get a pass on a pull over if you look wealthy though. Wealthy Ross/Kentfield guys never seem to get any "fishing" pullovers. No--I have never had a dui. I just know how these cops operate. I'm getting tired of poor people being singled out too. I mentioned my county, because I know a few of you guys live here.)
hellbannedguy 5y ago
I don't know why I think so much about crime (not murder, but larceny, and safe cracking), but I do. I have come to the conclusion that because of the proliferation of cheap tech (Mainly cameras everywhere), pulling off successful capers in exponentially harder than it was 15 years ago. It used to be getting away is lighting up the tires, and you are gone. Now--cops that aren't just Revenue Collecting can get a treasure trove of info just asking for cam footage. Hell, even carrying around construction tools can arouse suspicion if pulled over. I guess it's for the best? There is still a bit of me rooting for the clever thief.
- fedreserved 5y ago
  The cleverest of thieves just rob criminals
- toast0 5y ago
  Do crimes that cops don't care to investigate and it doesn't matter how easy they are to investigate.
- thephyber 5y ago
  The trail of evidence grows exponentially, but most cops are terrible art collecting the best evidence (partly because law/jurisprudence makes it difficult). Most cops still use fax as the primary method of requesting evidence from companies that are geographically distant. Collecting video camera evidence is slow and tedious so long as the department doesn’t have a volunteer database where residents can publish their location and other metadata. Filing requests digitally is still infrequent and usually done on portals specifically designed by tech companies to automate the tech company’s side. The moment there is a single portal which links lots of data which automated the police side of the legwork for all systems which support automation, that is when police start to actually collect a significant portion of the exponential data being collected.
- sib 5y ago
  Make a living by conducting an ongoing series of < $950 thefts in San Francisco?
crocodiletears 5y ago
Those vehicles are harder to find every year, and increasingly more conspicuous on the road.
- everdrive 5y ago
  Hard to find yes. More conspicuous? I don't think so. Lots of people have old cars, and the median car age keeps climbing.
kbsspl 5y ago
In less than 2 decades regulations supported by car makers, insurance corporations and the government themselves will outlaw cars not fitted with such systems.
- laurent92 5y ago
  Little known, the airbags already have the last 15s of driving before accidents. They act as a recording box. This was setup pretendedly because NGOs were worried about airbags triggering at the wrong time, so they have to save the last 15s of the CAN bus (brakes, speed, radio usage, wheel position, turn indicators, faults…).

Wouldn’t the second phone put you at the scene of the crime? As an aside, working for an automotive manufacturer (my opinions are my own and doing reflect my employer, etc) I think were rapidly approaching a time when all new vehicles will have a built-in cellular connection.

moistly 5y ago
And remote engine kill. This will be used to prevent upset citizens from attending protests, riots, and other forms of civilian uprising.
- yborg 5y ago
  Yes, because law enforcement would want tens of thousands of vehicles disabled in the roadways to obstruct their ability to do anything.
  - moistly 5y ago
    You won’t even make it to the highway.
rolph 5y ago
someone i know bought a chevy cruze , yup cell ?phone? integrated into the console. antenna and lead, gone , circuit trace to antenna input severed and sent to ground, power lead for SOIC desoldered and given manual toggle.
post_break 5y ago
The second phone would, but if you're smart you would cycle through burners, never take it home with you, never carry it with your main. Prepaid phones are cheap. It also doesn't take much to rip onstar out of vehicles considering how many of them go from Texas to Mexico.

wyager 5y ago

NHTSA keeps mandating new tech crap in cars on extremely questionable putatively utilitarian models. Infotainment systems are effectively mandatory now. The recent "infrastructure" bill also included language about investigating mandatory DUI-detection technology in new cars. Getting a vehicle without cellular is going to be impossible soon. My 2020 Tacoma (a pretty bare-bones pickup) even has a cellular modem.

akomtu 5y ago
Just disconnect the antenna?
- wyager 5y ago
  It throws an error code, meaning you fail inspection in many states.
  - akomtu 5y ago
    I didn't know there are such inspections.
- csunbird 5y ago
  Cellular is required for the car to be able to automatically call emergency services in case of an accident. It is mandatory for new cars in Europe for a while.
  - akomtu 5y ago
    So it's like a Japanese sword? You carry it all your life to use it once? Except that the European sword spys on its owner. Dump it.
hellbannedguy 5y ago
I sometimes wonder if government really wants to end DUI's. I know it sounds crazy. I just see the amount of money marginal dui's bring into counties. I might buy a vechicle that didn't let me drive if over .08%. I would love to be able to drive after 10:30 pm, without a cop tailing me, looking for a marginal dui. (In Marin County, don't drive through here after 10:30 pm. Cops gave literally nothing to do, except look for marginal dui's. There used to be a app called Trapster, but it was never implemented properly. You might get a pass on a pull over if you look wealthy though. Wealthy Ross/Kentfield guys never seem to get any "fishing" pullovers. No--I have never had a dui. I just know how these cops operate. I'm getting tired of poor people being singled out too. I mentioned my county, because I know a few of you guys live here.)

hellbannedguy 5y ago

I don't know why I think so much about crime (not murder, but larceny, and safe cracking), but I do. I have come to the conclusion that because of the proliferation of cheap tech (Mainly cameras everywhere), pulling off successful capers in exponentially harder than it was 15 years ago. It used to be getting away is lighting up the tires, and you are gone. Now--cops that aren't just Revenue Collecting can get a treasure trove of info just asking for cam footage. Hell, even carrying around construction tools can arouse suspicion if pulled over. I guess it's for the best? There is still a bit of me rooting for the clever thief.

fedreserved 5y ago
The cleverest of thieves just rob criminals
toast0 5y ago
Do crimes that cops don't care to investigate and it doesn't matter how easy they are to investigate.
thephyber 5y ago
The trail of evidence grows exponentially, but most cops are terrible art collecting the best evidence (partly because law/jurisprudence makes it difficult). Most cops still use fax as the primary method of requesting evidence from companies that are geographically distant. Collecting video camera evidence is slow and tedious so long as the department doesn’t have a volunteer database where residents can publish their location and other metadata. Filing requests digitally is still infrequent and usually done on portals specifically designed by tech companies to automate the tech company’s side. The moment there is a single portal which links lots of data which automated the police side of the legwork for all systems which support automation, that is when police start to actually collect a significant portion of the exponential data being collected.
sib 5y ago
Make a living by conducting an ongoing series of < $950 thefts in San Francisco?

crocodiletears 5y ago

Those vehicles are harder to find every year, and increasingly more conspicuous on the road.

everdrive 5y ago
Hard to find yes. More conspicuous? I don't think so. Lots of people have old cars, and the median car age keeps climbing.

kbsspl 5y ago

In less than 2 decades regulations supported by car makers, insurance corporations and the government themselves will outlaw cars not fitted with such systems.

laurent92 5y ago
Little known, the airbags already have the last 15s of driving before accidents. They act as a recording box. This was setup pretendedly because NGOs were worried about airbags triggering at the wrong time, so they have to save the last 15s of the CAN bus (brakes, speed, radio usage, wheel position, turn indicators, faults…).