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>>> I also think it shows that licenses really don't matter all that much as some people think, they are not computer code. They matter as long you're willing

>>> I also think it shows that licenses really don't matter all that much as some people think, they are not computer code. They matter as long you're willing to enforce them, and have the time and money to do so. In that case, you may be able to submit some form of take down request to GitHub against that project and other projects who are using your library. https://github.com/search?q=bouk%2Fmonkey&type=commits https://github.com/search?q=bouk%2Fmonkey&type=commits edit: wow, one of the projects that depended on your library was arduino up to 2020. https://github.com/arduino/arduino-cli/commit/09b4e8804fbd61ffb897a1bc4191c1f600ee9e3d https://github.com/arduino/arduino-cli/commit/09b4e8804fbd61... edit2: was also used by AWS up to last week when they removed it. https://github.com/awslabs/karpenter/commit/d84365e8c44178ea1681bef77d842f0710ea8254 https://github.com/awslabs/karpenter/commit/d84365e8c44178ea...

user5994461 5y ago
update: hit the jackpot the library is currently in use by Heroku/SalesForce to build deploy java apps (or something like that) https://github.com/heroku/java-buildpack/blob/master/go.mod https://github.com/heroku/java-buildpack/blob/master/go.mod I wonder what sort of settlement you could get if you were to send them a lawyer for real.
- rob 5y ago
  Welcome to America in one sentence.
  - bouk 5y ago
    I really don't understand this way of thinking
- jopsen 5y ago
  I'm no lawyer, but don't you usually have to show damages?
  - papercrane 5y ago
    Statutory damages can apply, but in the US statutory damages for copyright infringement require registering the copyright prior to the infringement.
  - R0b0t1 5y ago
    Damages would be loss of revenue. He was deprived of the ability to negotiate terms of use for payment. This is why the GPL is more developer friendly than other licenses. If a business doesn't like the GPL you can offer to relicense your code, ... for money. And money is the restitution you seek when the license is violated.
    - profmonocle 5y ago
      I'm curious how damages would be calculated in a case like this. Obviously you can't get away with saying "I would have charged them $10 billion for this code, so that's what they should owe me." But on the flipside, should they be able to say they wouldn't have been willing to pay anything for it, therefore they owe zero?
      - R0b0t1 5y ago
        I am curious as well. Since it's not a typical work for hire relationship, it could be a (modest) percentage of profits, or a business contracting fee of ~$500k or so.
- maxerickson 5y ago
  They will be happy to cease use of the code. The damages probably amount to $0. "Don't use this code, no seriously don't" isn't exactly an advertisement of the value it provide.
  - Macha 5y ago
    They may already have, looks like that archived repository has been replaced with: https://github.com/heroku/heroku-buildpack-java https://github.com/heroku/heroku-buildpack-java which doesn't even use go. And they'd like you to even move away from that replacement to an ever newer replacement: https://github.com/heroku/buildpacks-jvm https://github.com/heroku/buildpacks-jvm
  - Angostura 5y ago
    There could be many reasons for having an injunction against using code.

user5994461 5y ago

update: hit the jackpot the library is currently in use by Heroku/SalesForce to build deploy java apps (or something like that) https://github.com/heroku/java-buildpack/blob/master/go.mod https://github.com/heroku/java-buildpack/blob/master/go.mod I wonder what sort of settlement you could get if you were to send them a lawyer for real.

rob 5y ago
Welcome to America in one sentence.
- bouk 5y ago
  I really don't understand this way of thinking
jopsen 5y ago
I'm no lawyer, but don't you usually have to show damages?
- papercrane 5y ago
  Statutory damages can apply, but in the US statutory damages for copyright infringement require registering the copyright prior to the infringement.
- R0b0t1 5y ago
  Damages would be loss of revenue. He was deprived of the ability to negotiate terms of use for payment. This is why the GPL is more developer friendly than other licenses. If a business doesn't like the GPL you can offer to relicense your code, ... for money. And money is the restitution you seek when the license is violated.
  - profmonocle 5y ago
    I'm curious how damages would be calculated in a case like this. Obviously you can't get away with saying "I would have charged them $10 billion for this code, so that's what they should owe me." But on the flipside, should they be able to say they wouldn't have been willing to pay anything for it, therefore they owe zero?
    - R0b0t1 5y ago
      I am curious as well. Since it's not a typical work for hire relationship, it could be a (modest) percentage of profits, or a business contracting fee of ~$500k or so.
maxerickson 5y ago
They will be happy to cease use of the code. The damages probably amount to $0. "Don't use this code, no seriously don't" isn't exactly an advertisement of the value it provide.
- Macha 5y ago
  They may already have, looks like that archived repository has been replaced with: https://github.com/heroku/heroku-buildpack-java https://github.com/heroku/heroku-buildpack-java which doesn't even use go. And they'd like you to even move away from that replacement to an ever newer replacement: https://github.com/heroku/buildpacks-jvm https://github.com/heroku/buildpacks-jvm
- Angostura 5y ago
  There could be many reasons for having an injunction against using code.