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A Model S can do LA-SF without a stop. A Model 3 can do it with a very short recharge stop (20min). The new EQS should be able to do it very easy non stop. Are

by _ph_ 5y ago

A Model S can do LA-SF without a stop. A Model 3 can do it with a very short recharge stop (20min). The new EQS should be able to do it very easy non stop. Are you really driving 6 hours without stopping for a drink and without any bio-break?

542458 5y ago
One thing to add here is that huge nonstop marathon drives are generally unsafe - most all people can’t maintain alertness for that long. I have done the 7-hour hell drive in the past, but I probably would have been better off had I been forced to stop for ten or twenty minutes every two hours or so.
- mft_ 5y ago
  This. Recently did an eight hour drive in a model 3. We stopped more frequently than the Tesla strictly required - once for a bathroom break and a quick coffee, once for food, and once for a more substantive charge. The nice thing was that by timing the shorter stops to also be at a supercharger, we did the electric equivalent of a ‘splash and dash’ - we got ~2 x 15minutes of charging time ‘free’ - as we’d stopped anyway, and the additional time spent to plug in is about 30 seconds. I suspect people who think that a Tesla would be substantively worse than an ICE car for long trips are either far edge-case car users… or are seriously underestimating them time they spend not driving during a long trip, and then compare that unrealistic best-case situation with the likely case for an EV.
  - jasonwatkinspdx 5y ago
    I cope with long haul driving better than nearly anyone I know. I still find the gas stop every 3.5 hours or so essential. I get out of the car, walk around a bit, get something to drink and a snack to eat, and it makes a huge impact in how I feel and how alert I am. I have no problem doing 18 hour days multiple days in a row so long as I do this.
- HWR_14 5y ago
  It's far easier to stop at a rest stop and rotate the person behind the wheel (time, 20 seconds) than stop and refresh a driver.
  - _ph_ 5y ago
    Whom are you running from? Even if you can shorten the stop times by changing drivers, it is a big relief to get out of the car for at least a few minutes, literally stretch your legs, visit a bathroom and perhaps get a coffee or a snack.
    - HWR_14 5y ago
      I mean, you may find it a big relief to get out. I prefer to get to my destination faster. Or, if we do want to get out, plan to stop at a cool restaurant or something instead of at a random supercharger location. BTW: Did you know you can bring snacks and even coffee with you in your car? Those don't have to be purchased on route. You'll even get lower prices and a wider selection.
      - _ph_ 5y ago
        Or, if we do want to get out, plan to stop at a cool restaurant or something instead of at a random supercharger location. I would assume, as the number of electric cars rises, more and more restaurants see this as a business opportunity to offer charging while eating. Did you know you can bring snacks and even coffee with you in your car? As a German, I find the pure thought of doing so, horrend.
        HWR_14 5y ago
        > more and more restaurants see this as a business opportunity to offer charging while eating. In the US, the infrastructure costs to get fast chargers next to most good restaurants is prohibitive. Especially good restaurants that are between major cities. > As a German... No wonder you are so opposed to the idea of a 6 hour journey without taking a break. In the US, a road trip usually involves planning to minimize total stops. It's not uncommon to bring snacks/drinks/coffee with you in thermoses/coolers. (Also, nitpick, the word you want to use is "horrible" not "horrend" if you want to sound correct to the widest group of English speakers)
- Theodores 5y ago
  In the UK truck drivers: a break or breaks totalling at least 45 minutes after no more than 4 hours 30 minutes driving They are professional drivers. To speed up EV adoption, improve road safety and make an attainable mileage goal for EVs we could use legislation to require a 30 minutes break after three hours of car driving. This would be unpopular and initially hard to enforce, but if you were in an accident after driving without a break for six hours then you would not do it again as the law would make you the dangerous driver and your insurance would not help. Trucks have a tachograph, this could be mandated for cars too.
  - skeletal88 5y ago
    Well.. I would say something nasty to you for something so stupid, but I won't. You want to force everyone to take a 30min break automatically? How about i want to drive somewhere that takes 3h50 ? Or whst if there are more drivers in the car and we can stop for a quick change of drivers? Or.. whatever. I agree that driving without pausing and resting is bad but your solution is worse. It is my car, i should be able to stop whenever i want to, not when some system tells me to.
    - Theodores 5y ago
      On your roads you can do what you like.
- newbie2020 5y ago
  Switch drivers if traveling with another
- billfruit 5y ago
  This. long distance car travel is bad idea, anyway. It might be one of the unsafest means of getting from A to B.
alliao 5y ago
many countries have regulations around fatigue driving, look them up and adapt them to your own driving schedule. Usually it's around a break every 3hrs of driving. Some countries have them longer possibly due to lobbying but often are justified also by their quality of road and landscape etc etc.

by _ph_ 5y ago

542458 5y ago

One thing to add here is that huge nonstop marathon drives are generally unsafe - most all people can’t maintain alertness for that long. I have done the 7-hour hell drive in the past, but I probably would have been better off had I been forced to stop for ten or twenty minutes every two hours or so.

mft_ 5y ago
This. Recently did an eight hour drive in a model 3. We stopped more frequently than the Tesla strictly required - once for a bathroom break and a quick coffee, once for food, and once for a more substantive charge. The nice thing was that by timing the shorter stops to also be at a supercharger, we did the electric equivalent of a ‘splash and dash’ - we got ~2 x 15minutes of charging time ‘free’ - as we’d stopped anyway, and the additional time spent to plug in is about 30 seconds. I suspect people who think that a Tesla would be substantively worse than an ICE car for long trips are either far edge-case car users… or are seriously underestimating them time they spend not driving during a long trip, and then compare that unrealistic best-case situation with the likely case for an EV.
- jasonwatkinspdx 5y ago
  I cope with long haul driving better than nearly anyone I know. I still find the gas stop every 3.5 hours or so essential. I get out of the car, walk around a bit, get something to drink and a snack to eat, and it makes a huge impact in how I feel and how alert I am. I have no problem doing 18 hour days multiple days in a row so long as I do this.
HWR_14 5y ago
It's far easier to stop at a rest stop and rotate the person behind the wheel (time, 20 seconds) than stop and refresh a driver.
- _ph_ 5y ago
  Whom are you running from? Even if you can shorten the stop times by changing drivers, it is a big relief to get out of the car for at least a few minutes, literally stretch your legs, visit a bathroom and perhaps get a coffee or a snack.
  - HWR_14 5y ago
    I mean, you may find it a big relief to get out. I prefer to get to my destination faster. Or, if we do want to get out, plan to stop at a cool restaurant or something instead of at a random supercharger location. BTW: Did you know you can bring snacks and even coffee with you in your car? Those don't have to be purchased on route. You'll even get lower prices and a wider selection.
    - _ph_ 5y ago
      Or, if we do want to get out, plan to stop at a cool restaurant or something instead of at a random supercharger location. I would assume, as the number of electric cars rises, more and more restaurants see this as a business opportunity to offer charging while eating. Did you know you can bring snacks and even coffee with you in your car? As a German, I find the pure thought of doing so, horrend.
      - HWR_14 5y ago
        > more and more restaurants see this as a business opportunity to offer charging while eating. In the US, the infrastructure costs to get fast chargers next to most good restaurants is prohibitive. Especially good restaurants that are between major cities. > As a German... No wonder you are so opposed to the idea of a 6 hour journey without taking a break. In the US, a road trip usually involves planning to minimize total stops. It's not uncommon to bring snacks/drinks/coffee with you in thermoses/coolers. (Also, nitpick, the word you want to use is "horrible" not "horrend" if you want to sound correct to the widest group of English speakers)
Theodores 5y ago
In the UK truck drivers: a break or breaks totalling at least 45 minutes after no more than 4 hours 30 minutes driving They are professional drivers. To speed up EV adoption, improve road safety and make an attainable mileage goal for EVs we could use legislation to require a 30 minutes break after three hours of car driving. This would be unpopular and initially hard to enforce, but if you were in an accident after driving without a break for six hours then you would not do it again as the law would make you the dangerous driver and your insurance would not help. Trucks have a tachograph, this could be mandated for cars too.
- skeletal88 5y ago
  Well.. I would say something nasty to you for something so stupid, but I won't. You want to force everyone to take a 30min break automatically? How about i want to drive somewhere that takes 3h50 ? Or whst if there are more drivers in the car and we can stop for a quick change of drivers? Or.. whatever. I agree that driving without pausing and resting is bad but your solution is worse. It is my car, i should be able to stop whenever i want to, not when some system tells me to.
  - Theodores 5y ago
    On your roads you can do what you like.
newbie2020 5y ago
Switch drivers if traveling with another
billfruit 5y ago
This. long distance car travel is bad idea, anyway. It might be one of the unsafest means of getting from A to B.

alliao 5y ago

many countries have regulations around fatigue driving, look them up and adapt them to your own driving schedule. Usually it's around a break every 3hrs of driving. Some countries have them longer possibly due to lobbying but often are justified also by their quality of road and landscape etc etc.