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Tesla is planning a “super long range” Model Y
- paulpauper 5y agoTesla keeps pulling ahead of everyone else. Never been more optimistic about its prospects
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- akerl_ 5y agoThey keep saying they’re pulling ahead of everyone else. But as the owner of a Model 3, with a deposit in for a Cybertruck, all I’ve seen materialize in the last year are “cold weather improvements”. The hype is accelerating but the actual production offerings aren’t keeping pace.
- yunohn 5y agoWho are you comparing them to? That’s missing from your critique.
- hervature 5y agoI gathered that they were comparing to the hype machine.
- akerl_ 5y agoDoes it matter? I’m saying that the software they’re providing me for my Model 3 and the hardware they’re offering for purchase have stalled out. There hasn’t been a significant change to either in the last year. All the software updates have been minor tweaks. The new car models keep getting pushed back. Meanwhile the hype continues to accelerate. Given that their delivered progress is ~0, and the hype clearly >0, they’re not pulling ahead relative to anybody.
- yunohn 5y agoThe progress for your situation might be zero. But every day, there’s new Teslas being shipped and people finding more value in it than competing EVs. That is “pulling ahead”.
- akerl_ 5y agoThat’s not “pulling ahead”. That’s “continuing to proceed at the same pace”. If they stopped selling cars to more people, they’d be “falling behind”
- yunohn 5y agoSeriously? It’s one google search (1) to confirm that their delivery numbers are quickly growing YoY. https://www.statista.com/statistics/502208/tesla-quarterly-vehicle-deliveries/ https://www.statista.com/statistics/502208/tesla-quarterly-v...
- mupuff1234 5y agoThat's a pretty weird statement - by that logic all major companies are pulling ahead since they're all selling units.
- akmarinov 5y agoI mean look at the BMW i4 - it starts at around $58k, same as a Model 3 Performance - it has less range, slower 0-60 and it's RWD. If you want to somewhat match the Model 3, you have to add $1000 for heated steering wheel, comfort access and expanded storage, another $3000 for wireless charging, autopilot alternative, another $500 for parking assist (though BMW's actually works), etc and it adds up to quite a bit just to match what you get for free in the Model 3. Of course BMWs have higher quality pretty much everywhere and have more options like a sunroof, etc In the end do people want to pay less to have more range and a quicker car, but less quality or more quality for less range and a slower car.
- lazyjones 5y ago> But as the owner of a Model 3, with a deposit in for a Cybertruck, all I’ve seen materialize in the last year are “cold weather improvements”. So, you missed the Model S Plaid release?
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- endymi0n 5y ago> According to World Harmonized Light Vehicle Test Procedure (WLTP), the Mercedes-Benz EQS will offer a range of 770 kilometers, or roughly 478 miles
- gzer0 5y agoAlso, fun fact, EQS comes with 8 CPU cores, 24 GB RAM and 46.4 GB per second RAM memory! I wonder if I can buy 64 GB RAM from newegg for the EQS in the future! Would be a shame to not be able to run an entire homelab in there [1]. [1] https://www.mbusa.com/en/future-vehicles/eqs-sedan https://www.mbusa.com/en/future-vehicles/eqs-sedan /s
- jungturk 5y ago*for only $100k to $160k https://www.theverge.com/2021/8/10/22618661/mercedes-benz-eqs-price-sale-germany-orders-over-the-air https://www.theverge.com/2021/8/10/22618661/mercedes-benz-eq...
- masklinn 5y ago> 550km real-world driving range (565km using US-based EPA ratings and 584km using the European WLTP cycle which Tesla also shows on its website in Australia). Things are getting into interesting ranges though quite short of most ICEs still.
- andrewmunsell 5y agoThe thing is with EVs, you don't need a range the same as ICE. I'm not sure if you've ever owned an EV, but the vast majority of trips are done relatively locally and with a home charger, you're pretty much always "full" after you plug in overnight. The nicest thing is that I never have to worry about going to a gas station. For longer trips the range sort-of matters, but at least with Tesla, the Supercharger density makes most road trips not only possible but perfectly comfortable. I happen to enjoy the regular 15-20 minute stops, which is enough to go to the bathroom or stretch. I've heard the same from others who swore they'd hate the forced stops. Sure, some may want to bee-line it, but I don't believe that's true for most. The only other place having slightly longer range would be nice is for cold (going into the mountains to ski in my Y is fine based on where I live, but uses a good chunk of range and much more than the actual driving distance would imply, but it's cold, up a mountain, and with a ski rack on top) or towing (which I don't do, but in generally even a light trailer will halve your range).
- nicoburns 5y ago>the vast majority of trips are done relatively locally and with a home charger Surely this depends on your use case. This is likely true if you use your car to commute, or you live in a rural area so you need to use a car to go shopping. But not everybody uses a car for those things, and you've just listed a bunch of use-cases where the range would be useful. This an option that those who do need it can opt into, which makes perfect sense to me.
- toomuchtodo 5y agoIf current EVs don’t support your use case, your use case is in the minority. Average daily round trip commute in the US is ~32 miles. You’re never further than 100 miles between Superchargers in almost the entire country, and that will only improve as governments support rapid charging station deployments. If you’re hauling horse trailers or routinely commuting 150+ miles in a day, sure, EVs don’t meet your needs yet. But for most, they already do. There are several taxi services that have Model Ys in their fleet, so even high utilization use cases are served by existing EVs and related infrastructure.
- lazyjones 5y agoThe battery will have to be 93-100 kWh for this, which is not far-fetched.
- timdorr 5y agoThe current Model Y already gets 594km of range: https://www.tesla.cn/modely https://www.tesla.cn/modely This would only be a 8% increase.
- RototRobot 5y agoI guess I just dont understand but the Model S long range is 652km and Model X is 580km, doesn't this just fall inline with what they can already do?
- akmarinov 5y agoWell those are at least $90k, the Y is about half that.
- mrleiter 5y agoAccouncement based company.
- Cipater 5y agoIf you read the article you'll see that Tesla didn't announce anything. The writer of the article found some plain docs Tesla filed with Chinese authorities and decided to editorialise and call it "super long range".
- carlivar 5y agoReminder that Tesla ranges they market don't hold up to real world testing, while for other EVs (like Porsche) the opposite can be true. https://www.edmunds.com/car-news/electric-car-range-and-consumption-epa-vs-edmunds.html https://www.edmunds.com/car-news/electric-car-range-and-cons... Note: Edmunds tested to a display of zero miles remaining, not to a dead stop, yet even with adjusting for that, only 2 of 6 Tesla models could meet their advertised range.
- twobitshifter 5y agoI’m surprised by the number of model Ys I see. I think it’s Tesla’s least flattering vehicle and the price when optioned is comparable to the model S. Maybe, it’s the fact that it’s a crossover, but the model X in comparison is a ghost. Any ideas on why people seem to love the Y more than the other Tesla models?
- ekanes 5y agoCompletely personal opinion, but the Y seems to satisfy a larger family/roominess requirement, and the X does much the same thing while adding HELLO EVERYONE LOOK AT MEEEEEE whenever you open the gull wing doors. :P
- matthewdgreen 5y agoTesla is very obviously chasing the BMW market with the Model 3 and Model Y, which represent the 3-series sedans and X3 respectively. You can see this when you compare prices and specifications (cabin size, curb height, HP) of similarly-outfitted vehicles. The next level up in BMW’s SUV lineup is the X5, which begins at about $60K and goes up to about $82K fully loaded. Whereas the Tesla Model X begins at $80K and can go $91K or even $100K if you get the options (I’m not even talking about “Plaid”, which is $120K.) So TL;DR the Y is more popular than the X because it’s a much cheaper car (when equivalently optioned), and the X is competing with a much more expensive category of luxury SUVs.
- cogman10 5y agoThe price of the X over Y is pretty hefty and, frankly, the interior is outdated and due for a refresh. I'd not buy a model X at this point for those 2 reasons. I'll bet the X gets a refresh around the same time cybertruck is released. If I were to guess, I'd guess that X will go to the same platform as cybertruck (right now its built on the Model S platform).
- oh_sigh 5y agoNot sure what you're talking about with regards to the price being similar. The base Model S is $90k and the base Model Y is $53k. That's a big difference.
- mdasen 5y agoMaybe I'm weird, but I feel like range anxiety is overblown. Most people don't go that far in a day and while recharging isn't instant, it's getting quite fast. Back in the day, it was easy to be bored. That was so little to distract you while waiting. Now, I have a smartphone with me all the time. Even when I'm home, half the time I'm on my smartphone by choice. Ok, that's an exaggeration, but it's so much easier to wait half an hour. Get a drink and a snack, derp around on my phone, etc. If I'm doing Boston -> DC via Tesla Model 3 Long Range, it'll add two stops for 20 minutes and 25 minutes. However, I'm going to have to stop for gas along the way at least once so the 45 minute penalty should maybe be a 30 minute penalty. Realistically, it isn't a bad thing to stop a couple times, get drinks/snacks, stretch my legs, etc. It feels like it's a 5% penalty which just doesn't seem significant for something people rarely do. I think some of it is the psychology that a 20 minute stop feels like a real stop while a 5 minute stop doesn't feel like a real stop. Even if you spend 10 minutes in the convenience shop or get lunch, that's your "choice" rather than the car's need. A lot of gas stops are longer than 5 minutes on road trips. I think people buy cars for things they almost never do - and have a weird hate of themselves if their car can't accommodate something. I had a friend whose car couldn't fit a piece of furniture and he had to pay $100 to have it delivered. He said that he hated himself for not buying the larger (and $5,000 more expensive) vehicle he was also considering the three times this had happened. In my mind, that's not something to regret. You've come out $4,700 ahead! Yes, sometimes your car won't accommodate everything and that's ok. Maybe your car will need 5% more time to do Boston to DC, but that's not a big deal in your life.
- mlac 5y agoI agree with your last point. I don’t own a truck because I can rent an 8 foot bed truck at uhaul for <$100 with little notice. It’s been fine. But range “anxiety” (concern?) has stopped me from buying an electric car so far (though the next one will be). Your first example doesn’t account for variance, charging where you wind up, and fluctuations in demand. Most people travel on busy travel days. So this could be a problem if I’m going to the beach on a Saturday. Suddenly I’m in line behind 3 other cars that drove the same distance to minimize the number of charges they need between my city and the beach. So I now need to wait 1 hour before I can start charging, and I don’t have enough fuel to get to another charger. Now I arrive at the beach house and I either can only slow charge or need to find a charger. I can also go 500 miles on a tank of gas. That’s one trip without stopping (realistically 250 miles over 3.5 hours of highway driving). That’s right on the edge of charging, and then it’s making a 3.5 hour trip a 4 hour trip, which makes a difference. That’s an hour out of the weekend.
- shawnb576 5y agoIt states a range of 545km US, which is about 340mi, which is about the same as the 326 of the current Y. Is this really new or just incremental range gains from the new chassis battery stuff?
- Cipater 5y agoThe term "super long range" is not used by Tesla. They filed documents with Chinese authorities simply stating the range of the new variants. The writer of this article is the one who decided to call it "super long range".