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Any good sources on hybrid vs conventional engines? I'm very surprised they have a limited increase in complexity. I'll add that hybrids are more profitable f

Any good sources on hybrid vs conventional engines? I'm very surprised they have a limited increase in complexity. I'll add that hybrids are more profitable for any manufacturer because it means that you can't take it to your family mechanic for service (You need special training and equipment to work on them because it's high voltage). Because the dealers are making a lot on service, the manufacturer can cut their bonus on sales.

ajuc 5y ago
Serial hybrids IC engines are simpler, because they only power the generator - no need for transmission, gears, and adjusting power through a wide range of rpm. Basically generator+electric engine is the transmisson/gears. Parallel hybrids ICEs are just as complex as normal ICEs.
kube-system 5y ago
The engines in a hybrid are mechanically the same as their traditional counterparts (except they run Atkinson cycle instead of Otto cycle) The big mechanical advantage in simplicity is the transmission. While they’re called “eCVTs” in some cases, the transmission is better described as “almost no transmission”. They do not use the same belt and cone system that gasoline CVT vehicles use. In Toyota systems they use a simple fixed planetary gearset and can vary the output speed simply by varying the ratios of speed of the two electric motors and the gasoline engine, rather than mechanically changing the ratio of the gears like a traditional transmission. The Honda hybrid system is even more simple. They just directly drive the wheels with an electric motor and use the gasoline engine as a generator. (With the exception of a single lockup clutch that allows the engine to drive the wheels at a fixed ratio at highway speeds) Hyundai is a weird exception. Their hybrids have traditional transmissions attached to them. Except for some computerized parts of the system, the majority of them can be worked on by any mechanic, or even shade tree mechanics. The high voltage system requires care, but there are simple procedures to work on it safely. You can find many YouTube videos with instructions on tasks like rebuilding a battery pack, that dealers won’t even do. Most parts on a car aren’t the high voltage system anyway.
- hcurtiss 5y ago
  Having owned a Prius for a decade, and now a Hybrid RAV4, I can say with confidence that even if they were somehow more complicated, the great feature is that they never need work. Truly exceptional reliability.
loonster 5y ago
This is my favorite video on hybrid transmissions. It is what turned me from a hater to fanboy. https://youtu.be/E_xCssR8qQI https://youtu.be/E_xCssR8qQI
baxuz 5y ago
Here's a great explanation using a model: https://youtu.be/MsvVD0FaF28 https://youtu.be/MsvVD0FaF28 The amazing thing about them is that they have no parts that need friction to work like belts, CVT axles or even the clutch. Nor do they have any moving parts like a regular transmission which shift into place. It's 2 electric motors connected via a planetary gearset to the ICE. Nothing can get out of alignment or get loose.
thesmok 5y ago
There's a WeberAuto channel on YouTube, where prof. John D. Kelly explains them wonderfully, on live examples. What impressed me most is how simple the gearbox of a hybrid Toyota is – it's just three major parts!

ajuc 5y ago

Serial hybrids IC engines are simpler, because they only power the generator - no need for transmission, gears, and adjusting power through a wide range of rpm. Basically generator+electric engine is the transmisson/gears. Parallel hybrids ICEs are just as complex as normal ICEs.

kube-system 5y ago

The engines in a hybrid are mechanically the same as their traditional counterparts (except they run Atkinson cycle instead of Otto cycle) The big mechanical advantage in simplicity is the transmission. While they’re called “eCVTs” in some cases, the transmission is better described as “almost no transmission”. They do not use the same belt and cone system that gasoline CVT vehicles use. In Toyota systems they use a simple fixed planetary gearset and can vary the output speed simply by varying the ratios of speed of the two electric motors and the gasoline engine, rather than mechanically changing the ratio of the gears like a traditional transmission. The Honda hybrid system is even more simple. They just directly drive the wheels with an electric motor and use the gasoline engine as a generator. (With the exception of a single lockup clutch that allows the engine to drive the wheels at a fixed ratio at highway speeds) Hyundai is a weird exception. Their hybrids have traditional transmissions attached to them. Except for some computerized parts of the system, the majority of them can be worked on by any mechanic, or even shade tree mechanics. The high voltage system requires care, but there are simple procedures to work on it safely. You can find many YouTube videos with instructions on tasks like rebuilding a battery pack, that dealers won’t even do. Most parts on a car aren’t the high voltage system anyway.

hcurtiss 5y ago
Having owned a Prius for a decade, and now a Hybrid RAV4, I can say with confidence that even if they were somehow more complicated, the great feature is that they never need work. Truly exceptional reliability.

loonster 5y ago

This is my favorite video on hybrid transmissions. It is what turned me from a hater to fanboy. https://youtu.be/E_xCssR8qQI https://youtu.be/E_xCssR8qQI

baxuz 5y ago

Here's a great explanation using a model: https://youtu.be/MsvVD0FaF28 https://youtu.be/MsvVD0FaF28 The amazing thing about them is that they have no parts that need friction to work like belts, CVT axles or even the clutch. Nor do they have any moving parts like a regular transmission which shift into place. It's 2 electric motors connected via a planetary gearset to the ICE. Nothing can get out of alignment or get loose.

thesmok 5y ago

There's a WeberAuto channel on YouTube, where prof. John D. Kelly explains them wonderfully, on live examples. What impressed me most is how simple the gearbox of a hybrid Toyota is – it's just three major parts!