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Believe it was upped from a threshold of 200 or 300 karma about a year ago. Would like to see down-vote capability weighted much less on submission up-votes an

Believe it was upped from a threshold of 200 or 300 karma about a year ago. Would like to see down-vote capability weighted much less on submission up-votes and more on comment up-votes. Yesterday, someone noted how many repeats there are of popular stories on the front page; I would posit that this is, at least in part, related to the karma value of up-votes on submissions.

brudgers 15y ago
Submissions don't get downvotes (unless they occur at a threshold beyond my karma score), instead they are flagged which - like downvotes do for comments - moves them down the list ranking.
- glimcat 15y ago
  Is that what "flag" does? I like the minimalist interface, but it goes to far into "what the crap does this do" territory in a few places.
  - ColinWright 15y ago
    Generally you're expected to spend some time getting used to the culture around here. The information is there to be found if you put in the effort. It's specifically and deliberately user hostile. People unwilling or unable to make the effort or take the time usually get frustrated and leave, or ask questions and get enculturated. You're not expected to understand everything instantly, and the usage of these things is expected to change over time anyway. Their purpose wasn't set in stone to begin with, and already has changed. For example, the down-vote used to mean "This doesn't belong on HN" but has evolved to include "I don't agree". And flag does more than just act as a downvote on submissions - it indicates that the item shouldn't be on HN and is used for spam, troll, seriously off-topic, and by some, for repeats of recently submitted stories. Enough flags and a submission is auto-killed.
    - glimcat 15y ago
      Abusive downvoting bothers me on occasion. For that, there's Reddit. But ambiguous UI elements aren't going to have that effect. People will generally either misuse them habitually or ignore them. The human mind is awesome at filtering out noise.
    - dfc 15y ago
      I think downvoting would provide a greater benefit to the HN community if a commenter was somehow made aware that their comment was down voted. Maybe next to the score show the number of downvotes in red (if there are any). Onetime I noticed that my karma went down but I could not tell what comment was downvoted. It could have been a learning moment but instead it was a mystery.
      - tokenadult 15y ago
        Any comment that has a downward change in score must have been downvoted. Can't you see the scores of your own comments? I thought each user could see his or her own comment scores when logged in. In the extreme case, any user can tell if a comment has negative karma, because the comment starts to gray out. No comment receives downvotes for more than twenty-four hours.
        jaredsohn 15y ago
        You are right that users can see scores for their own comments, but I it doesn't show the number of up and down votes (like slashdot, reddit, etc. do). The parent said he wasn't sure which among multiple recent comments was downvoted. It can also be a mystery if a user isn't constantly watching karma as it changes.
        dfc 15y ago
        I actually noticed someones comment turning grey today but I did not know why. I do not think that is in the FAQ. What does this mean: "no comment receives downvotes for more than 24 hours."?
        15y ago
- joelhaus 15y ago
  > Submissions don't get downvotes My point was that the 500 point threshold should be calculated differently. If a user receives an upvote on a comment they submitted, it should be more valuable than an upvote they received on a news item they submitted. Currently, both count equally towards the 500 point threshold. This would make it less appealing to submit (already popular) articles just for karma benefit.

brudgers 15y ago

Submissions don't get downvotes (unless they occur at a threshold beyond my karma score), instead they are flagged which - like downvotes do for comments - moves them down the list ranking.

glimcat 15y ago
Is that what "flag" does? I like the minimalist interface, but it goes to far into "what the crap does this do" territory in a few places.
- ColinWright 15y ago
  Generally you're expected to spend some time getting used to the culture around here. The information is there to be found if you put in the effort. It's specifically and deliberately user hostile. People unwilling or unable to make the effort or take the time usually get frustrated and leave, or ask questions and get enculturated. You're not expected to understand everything instantly, and the usage of these things is expected to change over time anyway. Their purpose wasn't set in stone to begin with, and already has changed. For example, the down-vote used to mean "This doesn't belong on HN" but has evolved to include "I don't agree". And flag does more than just act as a downvote on submissions - it indicates that the item shouldn't be on HN and is used for spam, troll, seriously off-topic, and by some, for repeats of recently submitted stories. Enough flags and a submission is auto-killed.
  - glimcat 15y ago
    Abusive downvoting bothers me on occasion. For that, there's Reddit. But ambiguous UI elements aren't going to have that effect. People will generally either misuse them habitually or ignore them. The human mind is awesome at filtering out noise.
  - dfc 15y ago
    I think downvoting would provide a greater benefit to the HN community if a commenter was somehow made aware that their comment was down voted. Maybe next to the score show the number of downvotes in red (if there are any). Onetime I noticed that my karma went down but I could not tell what comment was downvoted. It could have been a learning moment but instead it was a mystery.
    - tokenadult 15y ago
      Any comment that has a downward change in score must have been downvoted. Can't you see the scores of your own comments? I thought each user could see his or her own comment scores when logged in. In the extreme case, any user can tell if a comment has negative karma, because the comment starts to gray out. No comment receives downvotes for more than twenty-four hours.
      - jaredsohn 15y ago
        You are right that users can see scores for their own comments, but I it doesn't show the number of up and down votes (like slashdot, reddit, etc. do). The parent said he wasn't sure which among multiple recent comments was downvoted. It can also be a mystery if a user isn't constantly watching karma as it changes.
      - dfc 15y ago
        I actually noticed someones comment turning grey today but I did not know why. I do not think that is in the FAQ. What does this mean: "no comment receives downvotes for more than 24 hours."?
        15y ago
joelhaus 15y ago
> Submissions don't get downvotes My point was that the 500 point threshold should be calculated differently. If a user receives an upvote on a comment they submitted, it should be more valuable than an upvote they received on a news item they submitted. Currently, both count equally towards the 500 point threshold. This would make it less appealing to submit (already popular) articles just for karma benefit.