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> My girlfriend bought an iPad for the kids to watch TV. It's shared by a couple of people. She had to log in with her Apple ID to set it up, and now her person

by Aaargh20318 5y ago

> My girlfriend bought an iPad for the kids to watch TV. It's shared by a couple of people. She had to log in with her Apple ID to set it up, and now her personal iMessages and emails are on it. It's stupid. Apple considers iPads (and iPhones/Macs) as personal devices. You aren't expected to share an iPad, you're expected to buy an iPad for each user.

dukeyukey 5y ago
Then Apple is either wrong, or being actively malicious with its products in order to sell more of them.
- Spivak 5y ago
  I mean it’s not really malicious to design a single-user system. At best it’s passively malicious. Sure, you can always share your personal pizza but you have to deal with the consequences that it was sized for one person and you both might be hungry after. Are you upset about the fact that you can’t have multiple isolated user-accounts on an iPhone?
  - ctvo 5y ago
    > Are you upset about the fact that you can’t have multiple isolated user-accounts on an iPhone? The iPhone was mentioned once, to connect it’s not possible on either iPhone or iPad. This is about the iPad, a completely different class of device, where it makes sense it would be shared, at least within a family, and has nothing to do with personal pizzas. It'a small point here, but the way you moved the goal post so your analogy applied more really bothered me.
    - Spivak 5y ago
      “I want device to be shareable” is very different than “Apple is malicious for not making device shareable.” I’m not trying to move the goalposts because I think of my iPad as just a larger iPhone. To me they’re the same. It’s such an odd dynamic because I see so many families sharing an iPad which isn’t multi-user but then treating laptops as personal.
    - Aaargh20318 5y ago
      > This is about the iPad, a completely different class of device, where it makes sense it would be shared, at least within a family, and has nothing to do with personal pizzas. It would be very awkward, even if you had multiple user accounts. How do you deal with things like notifications on the lock screen for messages, which can be very personal. There is so much personal stuff on my iPad, it would be like sharing a toothbrush. Sure, you could do it, but why would you ever want to ? Computers have become deeply personal devices, to the point that having to keep personal stuff off them would negate a lot of their utility. Is there still a point to having shared computers ? Do people still do that ? Even my parents, who are in their late 60's and care little about technology both have their own personal laptops.
      - __david__ 5y ago
        iOS doesn't show messages on my phone lock screen until it's authenticated me via Face ID. Presumably on a theoretical multi-user iPad, it'd do Face ID and then show me _my_ lock screen messages and not anyone else's who happens to have an account. Sharing a computer doesn't mean keeping personal information off of it, it just means you want a device that respects your personal information and keeps it private (non-readable by other user accounts) by default.
  - contravariant 5y ago
    Oh wow, I've seen some mind bending arguments so far but I sure didn't expect you to defend Apple's condescending way of telling their customers what to do by telling people how they should eat their pizza.
    - Spivak 5y ago
      I actually meant the opposite. Nobody is going to stop you from sharing your personal pizza, like it’s yours do whatever you want. But it’s weird to complain to the pizza joint about the portion sizes and that you’re still hungry after splitting one. Like Apple isn’t misleading anyone, you know when you buy it that it’s a single user system with all the downsides that entails. It’s fine to say “I think Apple should support multiple users to cover my use-case” but not “how dare Apple not support my use-case.” How dare my toaster not fit bagels! It’s a conspiracy I tell you to get you to also buy a separate bagel toaster! Like are people really just blind buying devices without even looking to see if they do what you want them to do? If you’re requirements are “I need a tablet to share between me and my kids” why is an iPad even on the table?
      - contravariant 5y ago
        Sure not buying Apple is always a solution but if we're continuing the pizza analogy then surely a restaurant that would refuse to bring you an extra plate and tableware would be considered to have bad service?
  - dukeyukey 5y ago
    My bet is that the user research would say the cast majority of iPhone usage is indeed personal, but that a major amount if iPad usage is shared, especially among children (and even moreso in poorer areas where an iPad-per-child isn't affordable). And I'd bet Apple knows this, but wants to maintain the fiction to encourage more sales. It's like Amazon waiting forever to include Chromecast functionality to sell more Fire Sticks. I understand, but it's still degrading the user experience, and that just grates my cheese.
Monory 5y ago
Macs are definitely not personal — you can trivially set up multiple user accounts.
- yarcob 5y ago
  You can, but the experience sucks for families. If you want shared access to your family photos or music collection, you kinda need a shared account. But you probably don't want your family members to read all your email, so you need separate accounts. And what if you want to email a photo from the shared account? You end up having to switch accounts all the time, and the experience sucks. The result is that people just use web apps like Gmail instead of native apps, because it's a lot easier to sign in and out of services.
elzbardico 5y ago
Create a kid's account in a family, set up the device using this apple id. that's the correct way of setting up kid's devices anyway.
Terretta 5y ago
> Apple considers iPads (and iPhones/Macs) as personal devices. You aren't expected to share an iPad, you're expected to buy an iPad for each user. Categorically not true. iPads in particular can be set up for multi-user with hand off. Shared iPad Overview: https://support.apple.com/en-gb/guide/mdm/cad7e2e0cf56/web https://support.apple.com/en-gb/guide/mdm/cad7e2e0cf56/web Shared iPad for Education: https://developer.apple.com/education/shared-ipad/ https://developer.apple.com/education/shared-ipad/ Shared iPad for Business (MSFT Intune MDM docs): https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/mem/intune/enrollment/device-enrollment-shared-ipad https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/mem/intune/enrollment/devic...
- swinglock 5y ago
  > Shared iPad requires a mobile device management (MDM) solution and Managed Apple IDs that are issued and owned by the organisation. Shared iPad requires a mobile device management (MDM) solution and Managed Apple IDs that are issued and owned by the organisation. Users with a Managed Apple ID can then sign in to Shared iPad, which is owned by the organisation. Note: Managed Apple IDs don’t support Family Sharing. Practically not false.
- deleted 5y ago
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- donmcronald 5y ago
  That doesn’t work for a personal account.
lancesells 5y ago
You can log out of iMessage and not set up email. It's silly that there aren't user accounts on the iPad at this point but you can get rid of most everything by logging out and setting up controls in Screentime.

dukeyukey 5y ago

Then Apple is either wrong, or being actively malicious with its products in order to sell more of them.

Spivak 5y ago
I mean it’s not really malicious to design a single-user system. At best it’s passively malicious. Sure, you can always share your personal pizza but you have to deal with the consequences that it was sized for one person and you both might be hungry after. Are you upset about the fact that you can’t have multiple isolated user-accounts on an iPhone?
- ctvo 5y ago
  > Are you upset about the fact that you can’t have multiple isolated user-accounts on an iPhone? The iPhone was mentioned once, to connect it’s not possible on either iPhone or iPad. This is about the iPad, a completely different class of device, where it makes sense it would be shared, at least within a family, and has nothing to do with personal pizzas. It'a small point here, but the way you moved the goal post so your analogy applied more really bothered me.
  - Spivak 5y ago
    “I want device to be shareable” is very different than “Apple is malicious for not making device shareable.” I’m not trying to move the goalposts because I think of my iPad as just a larger iPhone. To me they’re the same. It’s such an odd dynamic because I see so many families sharing an iPad which isn’t multi-user but then treating laptops as personal.
  - Aaargh20318 5y ago
    > This is about the iPad, a completely different class of device, where it makes sense it would be shared, at least within a family, and has nothing to do with personal pizzas. It would be very awkward, even if you had multiple user accounts. How do you deal with things like notifications on the lock screen for messages, which can be very personal. There is so much personal stuff on my iPad, it would be like sharing a toothbrush. Sure, you could do it, but why would you ever want to ? Computers have become deeply personal devices, to the point that having to keep personal stuff off them would negate a lot of their utility. Is there still a point to having shared computers ? Do people still do that ? Even my parents, who are in their late 60's and care little about technology both have their own personal laptops.
    - __david__ 5y ago
      iOS doesn't show messages on my phone lock screen until it's authenticated me via Face ID. Presumably on a theoretical multi-user iPad, it'd do Face ID and then show me _my_ lock screen messages and not anyone else's who happens to have an account. Sharing a computer doesn't mean keeping personal information off of it, it just means you want a device that respects your personal information and keeps it private (non-readable by other user accounts) by default.
- contravariant 5y ago
  Oh wow, I've seen some mind bending arguments so far but I sure didn't expect you to defend Apple's condescending way of telling their customers what to do by telling people how they should eat their pizza.
  - Spivak 5y ago
    I actually meant the opposite. Nobody is going to stop you from sharing your personal pizza, like it’s yours do whatever you want. But it’s weird to complain to the pizza joint about the portion sizes and that you’re still hungry after splitting one. Like Apple isn’t misleading anyone, you know when you buy it that it’s a single user system with all the downsides that entails. It’s fine to say “I think Apple should support multiple users to cover my use-case” but not “how dare Apple not support my use-case.” How dare my toaster not fit bagels! It’s a conspiracy I tell you to get you to also buy a separate bagel toaster! Like are people really just blind buying devices without even looking to see if they do what you want them to do? If you’re requirements are “I need a tablet to share between me and my kids” why is an iPad even on the table?
    - contravariant 5y ago
      Sure not buying Apple is always a solution but if we're continuing the pizza analogy then surely a restaurant that would refuse to bring you an extra plate and tableware would be considered to have bad service?
- dukeyukey 5y ago
  My bet is that the user research would say the cast majority of iPhone usage is indeed personal, but that a major amount if iPad usage is shared, especially among children (and even moreso in poorer areas where an iPad-per-child isn't affordable). And I'd bet Apple knows this, but wants to maintain the fiction to encourage more sales. It's like Amazon waiting forever to include Chromecast functionality to sell more Fire Sticks. I understand, but it's still degrading the user experience, and that just grates my cheese.

Monory 5y ago

Macs are definitely not personal — you can trivially set up multiple user accounts.

yarcob 5y ago
You can, but the experience sucks for families. If you want shared access to your family photos or music collection, you kinda need a shared account. But you probably don't want your family members to read all your email, so you need separate accounts. And what if you want to email a photo from the shared account? You end up having to switch accounts all the time, and the experience sucks. The result is that people just use web apps like Gmail instead of native apps, because it's a lot easier to sign in and out of services.

elzbardico 5y ago

Create a kid's account in a family, set up the device using this apple id. that's the correct way of setting up kid's devices anyway.

Terretta 5y ago

> Apple considers iPads (and iPhones/Macs) as personal devices. You aren't expected to share an iPad, you're expected to buy an iPad for each user. Categorically not true. iPads in particular can be set up for multi-user with hand off. Shared iPad Overview: https://support.apple.com/en-gb/guide/mdm/cad7e2e0cf56/web https://support.apple.com/en-gb/guide/mdm/cad7e2e0cf56/web Shared iPad for Education: https://developer.apple.com/education/shared-ipad/ https://developer.apple.com/education/shared-ipad/ Shared iPad for Business (MSFT Intune MDM docs): https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/mem/intune/enrollment/device-enrollment-shared-ipad https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/mem/intune/enrollment/devic...

swinglock 5y ago
> Shared iPad requires a mobile device management (MDM) solution and Managed Apple IDs that are issued and owned by the organisation. Shared iPad requires a mobile device management (MDM) solution and Managed Apple IDs that are issued and owned by the organisation. Users with a Managed Apple ID can then sign in to Shared iPad, which is owned by the organisation. Note: Managed Apple IDs don’t support Family Sharing. Practically not false.
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donmcronald 5y ago
That doesn’t work for a personal account.

lancesells 5y ago

You can log out of iMessage and not set up email. It's silly that there aren't user accounts on the iPad at this point but you can get rid of most everything by logging out and setting up controls in Screentime.