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>>We are too dependent on China to piss them off, That seems to be a problem... No? Maybe we should be pushing our political and business leaders to fix that.

by syshum 5y ago

>>We are too dependent on China to piss them off, That seems to be a problem... No? Maybe we should be pushing our political and business leaders to fix that. If a nation.. openly hostile to our interests is able to cause a worldwide pandemic that no one can investigate because it might upset that nations feefee's. That imo is much bigger problem than the pandemic itself

partsKnown 5y ago
Cheap goods for everyone in the world at the expense of Chinese slave labor, sounds like a deal too good to pass up.
thaumasiotes 5y ago
> a nation.. openly hostile to our interests What interests of ours is China openly hostile to?
- bwship 5y ago
  Democracy, freedom, individual rights.
- virtue3 5y ago
  Sure. Price fixing of the yuan to keep Chinese manufacturing significantly cheaper than everywhere else. https://www.investopedia.com/trading/chinese-devaluation-yuan/ https://www.investopedia.com/trading/chinese-devaluation-yua... Taiwan's independence. The emergence of TSMC is pretty critical at this point in time and the US and other European countries have paid them a lot of money to open plants in their territories. Chinas aircraft carrier program https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_aircraft_carrier_programme https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_aircraft_carrier_progr... Chinas claims that the j20 can "beat" the f22. https://guardingindia.com/china/china-claims-that-j-20-can-beat-us-f-22-and-indian-rafale/ https://guardingindia.com/china/china-claims-that-j-20-can-b... And the most recent and my latest favorite: China has started up 250 ICBM silos for nuclear weapons https://apnews.com/article/technology-europe-business-science-china-79388639f73d8c8835001982bcb016d6#:~:text=Researchers%20at%20the%20Federation%20of,being%20built%20in%20western%20China https://apnews.com/article/technology-europe-business-scienc.... This is most likely in direct response to the latest US anti missile capabilities. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terminal_High_Altitude_Area_Defense https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terminal_High_Altitude_Area_De... China now has to either pretend is has way more nuclear missiles or actually make them (and maintain them). The US and China are in this constant state of "our biggest trade partner is also our current biggest rival". I'm not really sure what the end game of that entails but I'm really hoping it just maintains at dick waving status. It's going to be very interesting if/how China steps into Afghanistan. That was basically Russia's vietnam. The current US situation with it should be pretty obvious to everyone at this point. We specifically did pacific theatre exercises with the japanese self defense force and the south korean military with shit like launching land based JSDF missles from USN ships target guidance and plenty of other joint operations to show China(maybe Russia?) the capabilities of the US armed forces and it's allies. inb4 "the usa started it". Yeah probably. China has been playing the military dick measuring game for the last 10 years pretty hard tho. I didn't think any country was as stupid as the USA to put as much money into defense spending but here we are (I am a US citizen). tl;dr China is openly hostile to US military and economic influence in SE Asia.
makomk 5y ago
Part of the problem is that the entire mainstream media narrative of the pandemic was warped by using it to get Trump out of office, which lead to downplaying how important China's actions were. In particular, I remember a lot of the press harping on about how the Obama administration wrote a pandemic plan and how much better everything would've gone if Trump followed it... except the plan wasn't exactly as described by the media. The most important thing, according to the document, was something none of the media coverage mentioned - it wasn't mask wearing, or lockdowns, or vaccinations or anything they talked about, it was actually getting accurate information from the country where the pandemic started. It hammered away on the fact that every other part of the pandemic response fundamentally relied on that information, there was no way to do without it, and if the pandemic started in a developing country without the staff to gather it the US should deploy their own mission there to get it. There was no advice on what to do if the country was a near-peer of the US which refused to release that info for internal political reasons. An accurate description of that document would've put a lot more of the blame on China, and that just wouldn't do politically.

by syshum 5y ago

partsKnown 5y ago

Cheap goods for everyone in the world at the expense of Chinese slave labor, sounds like a deal too good to pass up.

thaumasiotes 5y ago

> a nation.. openly hostile to our interests What interests of ours is China openly hostile to?

bwship 5y ago
Democracy, freedom, individual rights.
virtue3 5y ago
Sure. Price fixing of the yuan to keep Chinese manufacturing significantly cheaper than everywhere else. https://www.investopedia.com/trading/chinese-devaluation-yuan/ https://www.investopedia.com/trading/chinese-devaluation-yua... Taiwan's independence. The emergence of TSMC is pretty critical at this point in time and the US and other European countries have paid them a lot of money to open plants in their territories. Chinas aircraft carrier program https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_aircraft_carrier_programme https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_aircraft_carrier_progr... Chinas claims that the j20 can "beat" the f22. https://guardingindia.com/china/china-claims-that-j-20-can-beat-us-f-22-and-indian-rafale/ https://guardingindia.com/china/china-claims-that-j-20-can-b... And the most recent and my latest favorite: China has started up 250 ICBM silos for nuclear weapons https://apnews.com/article/technology-europe-business-science-china-79388639f73d8c8835001982bcb016d6#:~:text=Researchers%20at%20the%20Federation%20of,being%20built%20in%20western%20China https://apnews.com/article/technology-europe-business-scienc.... This is most likely in direct response to the latest US anti missile capabilities. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terminal_High_Altitude_Area_Defense https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terminal_High_Altitude_Area_De... China now has to either pretend is has way more nuclear missiles or actually make them (and maintain them). The US and China are in this constant state of "our biggest trade partner is also our current biggest rival". I'm not really sure what the end game of that entails but I'm really hoping it just maintains at dick waving status. It's going to be very interesting if/how China steps into Afghanistan. That was basically Russia's vietnam. The current US situation with it should be pretty obvious to everyone at this point. We specifically did pacific theatre exercises with the japanese self defense force and the south korean military with shit like launching land based JSDF missles from USN ships target guidance and plenty of other joint operations to show China(maybe Russia?) the capabilities of the US armed forces and it's allies. inb4 "the usa started it". Yeah probably. China has been playing the military dick measuring game for the last 10 years pretty hard tho. I didn't think any country was as stupid as the USA to put as much money into defense spending but here we are (I am a US citizen). tl;dr China is openly hostile to US military and economic influence in SE Asia.

makomk 5y ago

Part of the problem is that the entire mainstream media narrative of the pandemic was warped by using it to get Trump out of office, which lead to downplaying how important China's actions were. In particular, I remember a lot of the press harping on about how the Obama administration wrote a pandemic plan and how much better everything would've gone if Trump followed it... except the plan wasn't exactly as described by the media. The most important thing, according to the document, was something none of the media coverage mentioned - it wasn't mask wearing, or lockdowns, or vaccinations or anything they talked about, it was actually getting accurate information from the country where the pandemic started. It hammered away on the fact that every other part of the pandemic response fundamentally relied on that information, there was no way to do without it, and if the pandemic started in a developing country without the staff to gather it the US should deploy their own mission there to get it. There was no advice on what to do if the country was a near-peer of the US which refused to release that info for internal political reasons. An accurate description of that document would've put a lot more of the blame on China, and that just wouldn't do politically.