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It's not just that it's hard to refuse a bigger paycheck, but that everyone needs to refuse it. If 95% of people who could implement something refuse to do so o

It's not just that it's hard to refuse a bigger paycheck, but that everyone needs to refuse it. If 95% of people who could implement something refuse to do so on moral grounds - that won't be an impediment to the thing getting done.

labawi 5y ago
When I grumble about collecting needless data, conditioning users to insecure practices or similar ethical concerns, my manager usually drops it. There - I think I've made some difference. If you have an source of developers, where you can discard 95% without effect, could you please find me a haskell developer, sysadmin and a ee engineer woking in kicad? Salary - good in Eastern Europe. I'd prefer those that do have morals and standards. Thank you very much. 95% of developers refusing to build, won't stop PRISM or FAANG by not building. What it can do (along some explanations and reasoning), is to unrecognizably change the landscape, change availability and perception of privacy and security, and in a roundabout way, maybe even stop or at least reduce PRISM, FAANG, et al. data collation. Currently, about 5% of websites respect their user's data? What if it was 95%?
- tcmart14 5y ago
  Exactly. You do not need 100% or 95%. You just need enough to start changing the culture and landscape. Some of those people with industry experience but with values steeped in privacy and security will go on to educate (literally in academia) and mentor junior developers/engineers. It can be about trying to get enough support to change the landscape to create a feedback loop of a culture of developers/engineers taking into mind how their actions in a source file impact the end user's privacy and security.
tcmart14 5y ago
So if 1 person throws out a styrofoam cup, we all should just say screw it and do it too? Just because some people may not have any guiding principles doesn’t mean everyone should abandon principles. That is another way to look at it.
- dheera 5y ago
  Bad analogy. Disposing of a cup properly doesn't threaten your life. Quitting work without alternatives would put many people in grave danger, including not being able to receive hospital care, or not having a place to live.

labawi 5y ago

When I grumble about collecting needless data, conditioning users to insecure practices or similar ethical concerns, my manager usually drops it. There - I think I've made some difference. If you have an source of developers, where you can discard 95% without effect, could you please find me a haskell developer, sysadmin and a ee engineer woking in kicad? Salary - good in Eastern Europe. I'd prefer those that do have morals and standards. Thank you very much. 95% of developers refusing to build, won't stop PRISM or FAANG by not building. What it can do (along some explanations and reasoning), is to unrecognizably change the landscape, change availability and perception of privacy and security, and in a roundabout way, maybe even stop or at least reduce PRISM, FAANG, et al. data collation. Currently, about 5% of websites respect their user's data? What if it was 95%?

tcmart14 5y ago
Exactly. You do not need 100% or 95%. You just need enough to start changing the culture and landscape. Some of those people with industry experience but with values steeped in privacy and security will go on to educate (literally in academia) and mentor junior developers/engineers. It can be about trying to get enough support to change the landscape to create a feedback loop of a culture of developers/engineers taking into mind how their actions in a source file impact the end user's privacy and security.

tcmart14 5y ago

So if 1 person throws out a styrofoam cup, we all should just say screw it and do it too? Just because some people may not have any guiding principles doesn’t mean everyone should abandon principles. That is another way to look at it.

dheera 5y ago
Bad analogy. Disposing of a cup properly doesn't threaten your life. Quitting work without alternatives would put many people in grave danger, including not being able to receive hospital care, or not having a place to live.