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How did we get to the point where so many people would rather risk unknown side effects of a free vaccine that hasn't been fully tested? They're putting themse

How did we get to the point where so many people would rather risk unknown side effects of a free vaccine that hasn't been fully tested? They're putting themselves at unknown levels of risk. /s (sort of) I find the constant "It's science" and other platitudes to be completely off-putting and it stinks of consensus building. Further, the total shutdown of anyone that opposes the vaccinations raises so many red flags. Perhaps the vaccines will turn out to be completely safe, or perhaps they won't. Without any sort of long-term studies, we have no idea which direction things will go. Edit: - The 1955 Cutter Incident: "In April 1955 more than 200 000 children in five Western and mid-Western USA states received a polio vaccine in which the process of inactivating the live virus proved to be defective. Within days there were reports of paralysis and within a month the first mass vaccination programme against polio had to be abandoned." https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1383764/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1383764/ - 2017 dengue fever: "The analysis showed that the subset of trial participants who were inferred to be seronegative at time of first vaccination had a higher risk of more severe dengue and hospitalizations from dengue compared to unvaccinated participants." https://www.who.int/news-room/fact-sheets/detail/dengue-and-severe-dengue https://www.who.int/news-room/fact-sheets/detail/dengue-and-...

8bitsrule 5y ago
Thanks for pointing out the Cutter Incident ... an example of how, at the start, some stumbles - including deaths - are inevitable. (Wyeth too had 'excess deaths'.) 'All five companies that produced the Salk vaccine in 1955—Eli Lilly, Parke-Davis, Wyeth, Pitman-Moore, and Cutter—had difficulty completely inactivating the polio virus." [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cutter_Laboratories#Cutter_incident https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cutter_Laboratories#Cutter_inc...] [https://archive.org/details/cutterincidentho00offi/page/100 https://archive.org/details/cutterincidentho00offi/page/100] In the long run, the polio vaccines were unquestionably effective. In the US: 58,000 cases in 1952; 5600 cases in 1957. Salk led to Sabin - who did his trial tests in the USSR and Mexico (ethical?) - and by 1964 there were 124 US cases. [http://www.eds-resources.com/poliotimeline.htm http://www.eds-resources.com/poliotimeline.htm] What stinks much more to me is consensus-building by people seeking a political advantage. The result has been many more deaths than 70 years ago.

8bitsrule 5y ago

Thanks for pointing out the Cutter Incident ... an example of how, at the start, some stumbles - including deaths - are inevitable. (Wyeth too had 'excess deaths'.) 'All five companies that produced the Salk vaccine in 1955—Eli Lilly, Parke-Davis, Wyeth, Pitman-Moore, and Cutter—had difficulty completely inactivating the polio virus." [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cutter_Laboratories#Cutter_incident https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cutter_Laboratories#Cutter_inc...] [https://archive.org/details/cutterincidentho00offi/page/100 https://archive.org/details/cutterincidentho00offi/page/100] In the long run, the polio vaccines were unquestionably effective. In the US: 58,000 cases in 1952; 5600 cases in 1957. Salk led to Sabin - who did his trial tests in the USSR and Mexico (ethical?) - and by 1964 there were 124 US cases. [http://www.eds-resources.com/poliotimeline.htm http://www.eds-resources.com/poliotimeline.htm] What stinks much more to me is consensus-building by people seeking a political advantage. The result has been many more deaths than 70 years ago.