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"it just gives an additional parental control in addition to the many numerous parental controls (with them kids have no privacy already)" Wait, sending data (

by kurthr 5y ago

"it just gives an additional parental control in addition to the many numerous parental controls (with them kids have no privacy already)" Wait, sending data (of matching CP hashes) to law enforcement is parental control?

aesh2Xa1 5y ago
Yours is a very fair negative reaction. The information in the EFF’s includes a portion where it seems to be concerned only about alerting parents[1]. I think many parents would find that reasonable. However, the fact that the information will also be sent to the government [2] is just plainly an abuse of privacy, goes outside of the relationship between parent and child, and I do not imagine that parents would find that reasonable. > [1] Moreover, the system Apple has developed assumes that the "parent" and "child" accounts involved actually belong to an adult who is the parent of a child, and that those individuals have a healthy relationship. This may not always be the case; an abusive adult may be the organiser of the account, and the consequences of parental notification could threaten the child’s safety and wellbeing. LGBTQ+ youths on family accounts with unsympathetic parents are particularly at risk. As a result of this change, iMessages will no longer provide confidentiality and privacy to those users through an end-to-end encrypted messaging system in which only the sender and intended recipients have access to the information sent. > [2] When a preset threshold number of matches is met, it will disable the account and report the user and those images to authorities.
- snowwrestler 5y ago
  Your [1] and [2] refer to separate systems. The parental control does not send info to authorities.
snowwrestler 5y ago
Apple announced two separate things in one press release: a CSAM-scanning system, and a parental control that uses AI to attempt to detect nude pictures in iMessages and alert the parents. The latter system does not send any info to Apple or any authorities.

by kurthr 5y ago

aesh2Xa1 5y ago

Yours is a very fair negative reaction. The information in the EFF’s includes a portion where it seems to be concerned only about alerting parents[1]. I think many parents would find that reasonable. However, the fact that the information will also be sent to the government [2] is just plainly an abuse of privacy, goes outside of the relationship between parent and child, and I do not imagine that parents would find that reasonable. > [1] Moreover, the system Apple has developed assumes that the "parent" and "child" accounts involved actually belong to an adult who is the parent of a child, and that those individuals have a healthy relationship. This may not always be the case; an abusive adult may be the organiser of the account, and the consequences of parental notification could threaten the child’s safety and wellbeing. LGBTQ+ youths on family accounts with unsympathetic parents are particularly at risk. As a result of this change, iMessages will no longer provide confidentiality and privacy to those users through an end-to-end encrypted messaging system in which only the sender and intended recipients have access to the information sent. > [2] When a preset threshold number of matches is met, it will disable the account and report the user and those images to authorities.

snowwrestler 5y ago
Your [1] and [2] refer to separate systems. The parental control does not send info to authorities.

snowwrestler 5y ago

Apple announced two separate things in one press release: a CSAM-scanning system, and a parental control that uses AI to attempt to detect nude pictures in iMessages and alert the parents. The latter system does not send any info to Apple or any authorities.