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I can tell this guy has been reading too much Heidegger because this post and the one it references are completely incomprehensible to me.

by hcta 5y ago

kaycebasques 5y ago
I think this post is a case study in how a cryptic beginning can turn people off. Particularly these lines: > Learning is not like seeing lions in a safari. More humble surfing. Less self-deluding chess. > Reminder to self beginning. > This is pedantic, but it's important. The author mentions that storytelling is "near and dear to their heart." My guess is that they are trying to do the storytelling "hook" technique (where you start off by not explaining something fully so that people are compelled to read to the end and get closure). To their credit I did read to the end but I feel like that is a cheap trick. Like a UX dark pattern, but for writing. The gist of the article is summed up in the title. I suppose this idea has implications for how you think about organizational learning but the author doesn't go into those implications whatsoever.
- DanielBMarkham 5y ago
  Author here. Thanks for the stylistic comments, folks. I purposefully did this in about 30 minutes in stream-of-consciousness format. It should be off-putting and odd. It's not like most of the polished (and admittedly marketing) material you see elsewhere on HN. I hope I didn't waste anybody's time. My own research flow is to read and consume a lot on the material I'm trying to absorb, then try to put that into some kind of essay, either to others or to myself, once I think I have something useful that's resulted. Then, if I'm working on a larger work, months later I come back and collect the associated works and use them as a basis for a first draft of long-form material. I had no idea it would get many votes. Frankly, I wanted to share this with another site but whenever I share there, it gets auto-posted here. So I figured I would go ahead and submit here myself if it was going to show up in the feed anyway. If anybody is interested in carrying on the discussion please ping me! I'm finding it fascinating to develop a meta-model that covers both machine, human, and organizational learning. Not sure that anybody's done that before. So far it's been a hoot.
  - skmurphy 5y ago
    Sending a stream of conscious email to a friend can make sense early in the creative process. Publishing it in way that presents it as a finished product may end of wasting a lot of folks time. Candidly I took away only one useful observation from your essay: all organizations are teaching organizations. They teach "the way things work around here." I will engage in a discussion if you first take another hour to make your thesis and points clear. Don't publish it, send the draft to the coordinates in my profile.
  - undershirt 5y ago
    Hi Daniel, you didn’t waste my time publishing this stream of consciousness. You’re tackling something that can’t be broken down easily, and part of your prose painted enough of the mystery for me to believe that it had some shape, and it made me check out your books. Thanks for publishing. Would love to chat.
robbrown451 5y ago
Definitely a weird writing style. Struck me the same way.

I can tell this guy has been reading too much Heidegger because this post and the one it references are completely incomprehensible to me.

by hcta 5y ago

I can tell this guy has been reading too much Heidegger because this post and the one it references are completely incomprehensible to me.

kaycebasques 5y ago

I think this post is a case study in how a cryptic beginning can turn people off. Particularly these lines: > Learning is not like seeing lions in a safari. More humble surfing. Less self-deluding chess. > Reminder to self beginning. > This is pedantic, but it's important. The author mentions that storytelling is "near and dear to their heart." My guess is that they are trying to do the storytelling "hook" technique (where you start off by not explaining something fully so that people are compelled to read to the end and get closure). To their credit I did read to the end but I feel like that is a cheap trick. Like a UX dark pattern, but for writing. The gist of the article is summed up in the title. I suppose this idea has implications for how you think about organizational learning but the author doesn't go into those implications whatsoever.

DanielBMarkham 5y ago
Author here. Thanks for the stylistic comments, folks. I purposefully did this in about 30 minutes in stream-of-consciousness format. It should be off-putting and odd. It's not like most of the polished (and admittedly marketing) material you see elsewhere on HN. I hope I didn't waste anybody's time. My own research flow is to read and consume a lot on the material I'm trying to absorb, then try to put that into some kind of essay, either to others or to myself, once I think I have something useful that's resulted. Then, if I'm working on a larger work, months later I come back and collect the associated works and use them as a basis for a first draft of long-form material. I had no idea it would get many votes. Frankly, I wanted to share this with another site but whenever I share there, it gets auto-posted here. So I figured I would go ahead and submit here myself if it was going to show up in the feed anyway. If anybody is interested in carrying on the discussion please ping me! I'm finding it fascinating to develop a meta-model that covers both machine, human, and organizational learning. Not sure that anybody's done that before. So far it's been a hoot.
- skmurphy 5y ago
  Sending a stream of conscious email to a friend can make sense early in the creative process. Publishing it in way that presents it as a finished product may end of wasting a lot of folks time. Candidly I took away only one useful observation from your essay: all organizations are teaching organizations. They teach "the way things work around here." I will engage in a discussion if you first take another hour to make your thesis and points clear. Don't publish it, send the draft to the coordinates in my profile.
- undershirt 5y ago
  Hi Daniel, you didn’t waste my time publishing this stream of consciousness. You’re tackling something that can’t be broken down easily, and part of your prose painted enough of the mystery for me to believe that it had some shape, and it made me check out your books. Thanks for publishing. Would love to chat.

robbrown451 5y ago

Definitely a weird writing style. Struck me the same way.