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That’s what I meant in my last sentence. Unvaccinated Covid patients should have a lower priority. I haven’t heard of any hospitals trying that.

by ub99 5y ago

eightysixfour 5y ago
Deleted incorrect information, the decision was reversed.
- ub99 5y ago
  That sounds like a good start. I hope more hospitals will follow this example. In general, I think it’s very unhealthy to attempt to take away people’s agency and treat them as children. Don’t want to get vaccinated? Your choice. But there are consequences of this choice and we should make this consequences clear. Other than that - let people do what they want to do.
  - eightysixfour 5y ago
    Looks like they reversed the decision: https://www.dallasnews.com/news/watchdog/2021/08/19/if-north-texas-runs-out-of-icu-hospital-beds-doctors-can-consider-a-patients-vaccination-status/ https://www.dallasnews.com/news/watchdog/2021/08/19/if-north...
howinteresting 5y ago
What about water rationing? https://www.google.com/amp/s/pledgetimes.com/orlando-declares-water-rationing-due-to-covid-outbreak-and-oxygen-demand-in-hospitals/amp/ https://www.google.com/amp/s/pledgetimes.com/orlando-declare... You're healthy. What about immunocompromised people for whom the vaccines have only had a partial effect? https://www.google.com/amp/s/theconversation.com/amp/immunocompromised-people-make-up-nearly-half-of-covid-19-breakthrough-hospitalizations-an-extra-vaccine-dose-may-help-166241 https://www.google.com/amp/s/theconversation.com/amp/immunoc... Like it or not, we live in a society. Our decisions affect everyone else and we can't fully account for externalities. Solving these sorts of tragedies of the commons is exactly what public policy is meant to do. Personally, I think vaccine mandates need to happen yesterday. People who don't believe in the vaccines can suck it up. Facts don't care about their feelings.
- ub99 5y ago
  Sorry do you live in the US? Do you really think a vaccine mandate is possible here? People will literally fight that with assault rifles. This situation is already tearing our society apart, there is no way any large scale mandatory vaccination project would succeed.
  - howinteresting 5y ago
    Yes, I live in the US. The way I think vaccine mandates can be done here is for every workplace, business and school to require them. Hopefully the upcoming approval of the Pfizer vaccine should unblock more of this.
    - ub99 5y ago
      OK, let’s explore that. At what level do you think this would be enforced? Federal? Completely unenforceable unless you want to involve the military domestically. State level? Obviously half of the States are not going to do that. City level? Again, completely pointless. Also, many business owners are antivaxx, why would they participate in this?
      - howinteresting 5y ago
        Federal funds should be withheld from states and cities until they impose mandates (this is the traditional way the feds have exercised control over states and cities). Businesses which refuse to implement them should have their lines of credit frozen or their permits revoked. Owning a business open to the public is a privilege, not a right. There needs to be an all-out effort. The US did far more during WW2.
        ub99 5y ago
        So, for example, all federal funds should be withheld from Florida until they introduce and enforce statewide vaccination? And we are going to do that with booster shots as well? This sounds like tyranny to me.
paulddraper 5y ago
Now do obesity.

That’s what I meant in my last sentence. Unvaccinated Covid patients should have a lower priority. I haven’t heard of any hospitals trying that.

by ub99 5y ago

That’s what I meant in my last sentence. Unvaccinated Covid patients should have a lower priority. I haven’t heard of any hospitals trying that.

eightysixfour 5y ago

Deleted incorrect information, the decision was reversed.

ub99 5y ago
That sounds like a good start. I hope more hospitals will follow this example. In general, I think it’s very unhealthy to attempt to take away people’s agency and treat them as children. Don’t want to get vaccinated? Your choice. But there are consequences of this choice and we should make this consequences clear. Other than that - let people do what they want to do.
- eightysixfour 5y ago
  Looks like they reversed the decision: https://www.dallasnews.com/news/watchdog/2021/08/19/if-north-texas-runs-out-of-icu-hospital-beds-doctors-can-consider-a-patients-vaccination-status/ https://www.dallasnews.com/news/watchdog/2021/08/19/if-north...

howinteresting 5y ago

What about water rationing? https://www.google.com/amp/s/pledgetimes.com/orlando-declares-water-rationing-due-to-covid-outbreak-and-oxygen-demand-in-hospitals/amp/ https://www.google.com/amp/s/pledgetimes.com/orlando-declare... You're healthy. What about immunocompromised people for whom the vaccines have only had a partial effect? https://www.google.com/amp/s/theconversation.com/amp/immunocompromised-people-make-up-nearly-half-of-covid-19-breakthrough-hospitalizations-an-extra-vaccine-dose-may-help-166241 https://www.google.com/amp/s/theconversation.com/amp/immunoc... Like it or not, we live in a society. Our decisions affect everyone else and we can't fully account for externalities. Solving these sorts of tragedies of the commons is exactly what public policy is meant to do. Personally, I think vaccine mandates need to happen yesterday. People who don't believe in the vaccines can suck it up. Facts don't care about their feelings.

ub99 5y ago
Sorry do you live in the US? Do you really think a vaccine mandate is possible here? People will literally fight that with assault rifles. This situation is already tearing our society apart, there is no way any large scale mandatory vaccination project would succeed.
- howinteresting 5y ago
  Yes, I live in the US. The way I think vaccine mandates can be done here is for every workplace, business and school to require them. Hopefully the upcoming approval of the Pfizer vaccine should unblock more of this.
  - ub99 5y ago
    OK, let’s explore that. At what level do you think this would be enforced? Federal? Completely unenforceable unless you want to involve the military domestically. State level? Obviously half of the States are not going to do that. City level? Again, completely pointless. Also, many business owners are antivaxx, why would they participate in this?
    - howinteresting 5y ago
      Federal funds should be withheld from states and cities until they impose mandates (this is the traditional way the feds have exercised control over states and cities). Businesses which refuse to implement them should have their lines of credit frozen or their permits revoked. Owning a business open to the public is a privilege, not a right. There needs to be an all-out effort. The US did far more during WW2.
      - ub99 5y ago
        So, for example, all federal funds should be withheld from Florida until they introduce and enforce statewide vaccination? And we are going to do that with booster shots as well? This sounds like tyranny to me.

paulddraper 5y ago

Now do obesity.