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I agree! It's been misused to mean things someone doesn't agree with too often :) In this case we have been gettings tons of claims that what apple doing will

I agree! It's been misused to mean things someone doesn't agree with too often :) In this case we have been gettings tons of claims that what apple doing will see them charged with child porn felonies etc with almost no foundation. We've also had lots of claims based on a failure to actually read about what apple is doing (ie, will scan all content not just that scheduled for upload to icloud etc).

zepto 5y ago
Sure, but as someone who agrees with you, I’m not sure we can call that ‘misinformation’. It’s just poor understanding and bad arguments. I have seen a little misinformation relating to this subject - direct lies, fake news, fake links etc, but a negligible amount.
- slownews45 5y ago
  All good points. Yeah, we should stop using the term I think given it's lost a lot of its meaning. But a fair bit of the discussion of this topic has been badly misinformed.
  - zepto 5y ago
    I agree, but that is a feature of this particular problem. For example, I see a lot of people who are simply wrong about how the hash matching works. One way to be wrong is to think it’s a cryptographic hash. Another way to be wrong is to think it’s just a perceptual hash match. The problem is that these are both not crazy. The actual solution is far more complex and non-obvious than most people would suspect. I think this is a genuine problem with the system. It is hard for almost anyone to imagine how it could be trustworthy.
    - slownews45 5y ago
      Apple have been pretty clear that a human will review things. That is (I hope) a feature of any system that leads to child porn charges. If not it should be - AI gets things wrong and can be tricked (as can humans but in different ways usually). But agreed, the technical bits may not be obvious (though apple released I thought a pretty darn complete paper on how it all works).
      - zepto 5y ago
        Sure - but who wants a human reviewing their private photos? I don’t. Unless you understand the technical bits you have know way of knowing how rarely this is likely to happen in practice.
        slownews45 5y ago
        Not me, but if they only review after a flag, that's best you can do I think? facebook works this way too. Users flag photos and someone looks and deals with them.
        zepto 5y ago
        ‘No worse than facebook’ is probably the most damning thing you can say about a tech company. The best you can do would be to not review people’s private photos at all.

zepto 5y ago

Sure, but as someone who agrees with you, I’m not sure we can call that ‘misinformation’. It’s just poor understanding and bad arguments. I have seen a little misinformation relating to this subject - direct lies, fake news, fake links etc, but a negligible amount.

slownews45 5y ago
All good points. Yeah, we should stop using the term I think given it's lost a lot of its meaning. But a fair bit of the discussion of this topic has been badly misinformed.
- zepto 5y ago
  I agree, but that is a feature of this particular problem. For example, I see a lot of people who are simply wrong about how the hash matching works. One way to be wrong is to think it’s a cryptographic hash. Another way to be wrong is to think it’s just a perceptual hash match. The problem is that these are both not crazy. The actual solution is far more complex and non-obvious than most people would suspect. I think this is a genuine problem with the system. It is hard for almost anyone to imagine how it could be trustworthy.
  - slownews45 5y ago
    Apple have been pretty clear that a human will review things. That is (I hope) a feature of any system that leads to child porn charges. If not it should be - AI gets things wrong and can be tricked (as can humans but in different ways usually). But agreed, the technical bits may not be obvious (though apple released I thought a pretty darn complete paper on how it all works).
    - zepto 5y ago
      Sure - but who wants a human reviewing their private photos? I don’t. Unless you understand the technical bits you have know way of knowing how rarely this is likely to happen in practice.
      - slownews45 5y ago
        Not me, but if they only review after a flag, that's best you can do I think? facebook works this way too. Users flag photos and someone looks and deals with them.
        zepto 5y ago
        ‘No worse than facebook’ is probably the most damning thing you can say about a tech company. The best you can do would be to not review people’s private photos at all.