> My point is not, as you seem to think, that creating more dark places intentionally is good. But that was the context in which we were having the discussion:

> My point is not, as you seem to think, that creating more dark places intentionally is good. But that was the context in which we were having the discussion: not about Elliott Smith and the like, but about Gordon Ramsay, who creates such dark places (although of a very different sort from the dark places inhabited by someone with depression), and whether the cost that imposes on the participants is acceptable.