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You're about as wrong as me. > The vaccine is safe. How can we know that without long-term studies? > It works. Yet its effectiveness is decreasing with eac

You're about as wrong as me. > The vaccine is safe. How can we know that without long-term studies? > It works. Yet its effectiveness is decreasing with each new variant. > And it's the only tool that will end the pandemic. COVID is endemic now. Nothing will "end" the pandemic. > You realize that the vaccine makers have already made their money. They're all been paid...right? You getting a shot doesn't get them any richer. First off, no, my decision is not about making Big Pharma more money, but you are simply wrong here. Yes, they have already made money making some amount of doses, but if I get the vaccine, that adds to the demand, which raises the price, which causes them to make more and sell more, which makes them more money. > I hope that you don't die of this extremely preventable disease. I hope you don't get vented and have your last days on earth be around strangers looking down at you through masks and goggles while you're physically unable to speak +because, you know, there'll be a giant tube in your throat). I have already made the decision that if I get that sick, I won't get treatment because I did not get the vaccine. So talking about how I don't care about people is entirely wrong as well. I care about people, so I won't take the hospital bed. Also, I care about their rights, so I will die on that hill. Also, I suspect that I've already had COVID. I thought it was a cold at the time. So I don't think getting the vaccine would do me any good.

room505 5y ago
You might be a little misdirected in your thinking and encourage you to listen to Public Health On Call by John Hopkins. https://johnshopkinssph.libsyn.com/ https://johnshopkinssph.libsyn.com/
- ghoward 5y ago
  Before I listen to that, answer me this: did you read my blog post?
  - room505 5y ago
    Yes. I feel the points you make still seem off or misguided. But I can understand the hesitancy.
malcolmgreaves 5y ago
> How can we know that without long-term studies? It's unbelievably well tested. Pfizer and Moderna have minimal side effects compared even yo the most mild of COVID cases. You're saying that you're ok with extreme covid symptoms (permeant reduced lung capacity, significant loss of taste and smell, permeant brain fog) but not ok with a vaccine that's proven safe in hundreds of millions of people? That's just bad risk assessment. And they're still incredibly effective against new strains. They're preventing hospitalization, death, and extreme, permeant symptoms. That is their goal. They're working. > but if I get the vaccine, that adds to the demand, Wrong. The supply is already created. It's already been paid for by the federal government. Your individual demand is irrelevant. > I won't get treatment because I did not get the vaccine. So talking about how I don't care about people is entirely wrong as well. I care about people, so I won't take the hospital bed. If you're unvaccinated, then you are still hurting others by being a vector for (1) incubating the virus and thus spreading it and (2) being a petri dish for deadly mutation to evolve. And if your resolve on your deathbed changes, as so many doctors and nurses have seen, then you'll take that hospital bed anyways. And if you did actually already have COVID (and not a cold or any number of other diseases that are mild and share some COVID symptoms), then getting better antibodies would be a good thing. No logic as to why you would not want to increase your immune systems' effectiveness.
- ghoward 5y ago
  > It's unbelievably well tested. Not long term. Sorry, but you simply are not going to convince me on this one. It's heavily tested, but not well tested. There is a difference. > Wrong. The supply is already created. It's already been paid for by the federal government. Your individual demand is irrelevant. If it's already been paid for, then either a lot are going to waste, because they expire, or they are going somewhere else, which means my individual demand, while tiny, is not irrelevant. > If you're unvaccinated, then you are still hurting others by being a vector for (1) incubating the virus and thus spreading it and (2) being a petri dish for deadly mutation to evolve. The vaccinated are vectors and petri dishes too. A virus is going to virus. > And if you did actually already have COVID (and not a cold or any number of other diseases that are mild and share some COVID symptoms), then getting better antibodies would be a good thing. No logic as to why you would not want to increase your immune systems' effectiveness. Because the vaccines may actually not increase the effectiveness of my immune system and may give me extra health problems. There is a logic, and you appear to not have read my blog post about it.

room505 5y ago

You might be a little misdirected in your thinking and encourage you to listen to Public Health On Call by John Hopkins. https://johnshopkinssph.libsyn.com/ https://johnshopkinssph.libsyn.com/

ghoward 5y ago
Before I listen to that, answer me this: did you read my blog post?
- room505 5y ago
  Yes. I feel the points you make still seem off or misguided. But I can understand the hesitancy.

malcolmgreaves 5y ago

> How can we know that without long-term studies? It's unbelievably well tested. Pfizer and Moderna have minimal side effects compared even yo the most mild of COVID cases. You're saying that you're ok with extreme covid symptoms (permeant reduced lung capacity, significant loss of taste and smell, permeant brain fog) but not ok with a vaccine that's proven safe in hundreds of millions of people? That's just bad risk assessment. And they're still incredibly effective against new strains. They're preventing hospitalization, death, and extreme, permeant symptoms. That is their goal. They're working. > but if I get the vaccine, that adds to the demand, Wrong. The supply is already created. It's already been paid for by the federal government. Your individual demand is irrelevant. > I won't get treatment because I did not get the vaccine. So talking about how I don't care about people is entirely wrong as well. I care about people, so I won't take the hospital bed. If you're unvaccinated, then you are still hurting others by being a vector for (1) incubating the virus and thus spreading it and (2) being a petri dish for deadly mutation to evolve. And if your resolve on your deathbed changes, as so many doctors and nurses have seen, then you'll take that hospital bed anyways. And if you did actually already have COVID (and not a cold or any number of other diseases that are mild and share some COVID symptoms), then getting better antibodies would be a good thing. No logic as to why you would not want to increase your immune systems' effectiveness.

ghoward 5y ago
> It's unbelievably well tested. Not long term. Sorry, but you simply are not going to convince me on this one. It's heavily tested, but not well tested. There is a difference. > Wrong. The supply is already created. It's already been paid for by the federal government. Your individual demand is irrelevant. If it's already been paid for, then either a lot are going to waste, because they expire, or they are going somewhere else, which means my individual demand, while tiny, is not irrelevant. > If you're unvaccinated, then you are still hurting others by being a vector for (1) incubating the virus and thus spreading it and (2) being a petri dish for deadly mutation to evolve. The vaccinated are vectors and petri dishes too. A virus is going to virus. > And if you did actually already have COVID (and not a cold or any number of other diseases that are mild and share some COVID symptoms), then getting better antibodies would be a good thing. No logic as to why you would not want to increase your immune systems' effectiveness. Because the vaccines may actually not increase the effectiveness of my immune system and may give me extra health problems. There is a logic, and you appear to not have read my blog post about it.