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I am one of the unvaccinated. My decision was based on possible effects to myself from the vaccine versus how dangerous the vaccine was to me. [1] I'll make yo

I am one of the unvaccinated. My decision was based on possible effects to myself from the vaccine versus how dangerous the vaccine was to me. [1] I'll make you a deal: if I get sick, I won't hospitalize myself, even if I need to, as long as you never execute the violence you called for. Deal? However, there are those that have not gotten the vaccines because their doctors told them not to. What about those people? The truth that most people forget is that hospitals are usually near their capacity all of the time anyway because empty beds are expensive with no profit. And as another comment stated, the problem is not that there isn't enough oxygen, but that there are not enough truckers to bring it in. Seems to me the biggest cause of the problem is a bad economy, not the unvaccinated. You may disagree, but your calls for violence are not going to convince the unvaccinated that you have their best interests at heart. [1]: https://gavinhoward.com/2021/07/my-thought-process-regarding-vaccines/ https://gavinhoward.com/2021/07/my-thought-process-regarding...

noasaservice 5y ago
"[this user is] a member of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, a husband, a computing system designer, and a [republican] candidate for Utah Governor." Color me shocked, that a Mor(m)on republican governor candidate for Utah is an antivaxxer. I'm just completely shooken up and aghast that a...... republican..... is against the vaccine! /sarcasm
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- ghoward 5y ago
  I am running as an independent, not a Republican. I suggest not adding words without checking the veracity of your claim.
halfjoking 5y ago
It’s such a crazy world - a few months ago when I told people about having longcovid and how I didn’t want a relapse from the vaccine they were supportive. But now I’d get more compassion saying I’m a violent sex offender. Amazing what indoctrination can do in a few months.
- ghoward 5y ago
  > Amazing what indoctrination can do in a few months. I agree, but I never thought that it could be so effective myself until now. And I'm sorry you had longcovid. That sucks.
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AndrewUnmuted 5y ago
I am sorry you're being downvoted, the fact that people can do exactly what you're doing is one of the only positively distinguishing things about our country these days, and of course the capability for folks to do it shrinks by the minute. I do not likely share much in common with you culturally, but I sincerely delight in seeing an independently-minded thinker boldly taking the conversation to places they probably need to go.
- ghoward 5y ago
  > I do not likely share much in common with you culturally, but I sincerely delight in seeing an independently-minded thinker boldly taking the conversation to places they probably need to go. Thank you. :) I think the most important culture to share is being independently-minded, so I guess we share that at the very least, and that makes me happy, no matter what parts of culture we don't share.
malcolmgreaves 5y ago
You're incredibly wrong. The vaccine is safe. It works. And it's the only tool that will end the pandemic. What does someone need to say to you for you to start caring about other people? Or is this some bogus "the man is making money!" lines of thought? You realize that the vaccine makers have already made their money...right? They're all been paid to make the vaccines: that's why they're free at point of distribution. You getting a shot doesn't get them any richer. In fact, you can help big pharma make more money by getting sick. When you are slowly suffocating to death as your lungs fail, in your panic, you'll absolutely ask for anything to be out into your body for the hope that you won't die in agony (there's no treatments or cures, so it'll be a crap shoot). Though, maybe you will avoid the same end as so many other Americans... I'm glad you said that you won't get hospitalized because you have said that you refuse to be vaccinated. Because, honestly, while I hope that you don't die of this extremely preventable disease, I also hope that you don't waste other people's time. I have family that work in the ER. They've been doing this for over a year now: they exhausted themselves trying to save people before there was a way to prevent COVID. Now....after having to interact with increasingly hostile patients (because only the unvaxxed are getting sick enough to be hospitalized) they don't really have any patience anymore. t They're tired of seeing scared unvaxxers coming in, being angry, and demanding the vaccine as they're dying. Only to get more hostile as they have to explain to them that there's no cures, no treatment, and that it's way too late to get vaccinated. They're past the point of empathy for people that can't even do the bate minimum to take care of their own health. And, by the way, the unvaxxed are the only ones dying of COVID now. At worst, vaxxed folk come into the ICU for a day or two; never need a ventilator. The unvaxxed come in incredibly sick; more and more I get reports that young (20-40) are getting deathly ill. And, even more shocking, delta hits kids much harder than alpha: they're saying in droves now too. It's no longer a disease of the elderly and feeble anymore. I've heard enough horror stories to say with sincerity that I hope you don't get vented. It's a terrible way to die: to have your last days on earth be around strangers looking down at you through masks and goggles while you're physically unable to speak. Slowly suffocating to death as a machine works increasingly harder to force air into your decaying lungs. Once you go on a vent, your chances of survival are depressingly low. Good luck.
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noasaservice 5y ago

"[this user is] a member of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, a husband, a computing system designer, and a [republican] candidate for Utah Governor." Color me shocked, that a Mor(m)on republican governor candidate for Utah is an antivaxxer. I'm just completely shooken up and aghast that a...... republican..... is against the vaccine! /sarcasm

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ghoward 5y ago
I am running as an independent, not a Republican. I suggest not adding words without checking the veracity of your claim.

halfjoking 5y ago

It’s such a crazy world - a few months ago when I told people about having longcovid and how I didn’t want a relapse from the vaccine they were supportive. But now I’d get more compassion saying I’m a violent sex offender. Amazing what indoctrination can do in a few months.

ghoward 5y ago
> Amazing what indoctrination can do in a few months. I agree, but I never thought that it could be so effective myself until now. And I'm sorry you had longcovid. That sucks.
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AndrewUnmuted 5y ago

I am sorry you're being downvoted, the fact that people can do exactly what you're doing is one of the only positively distinguishing things about our country these days, and of course the capability for folks to do it shrinks by the minute. I do not likely share much in common with you culturally, but I sincerely delight in seeing an independently-minded thinker boldly taking the conversation to places they probably need to go.

ghoward 5y ago
> I do not likely share much in common with you culturally, but I sincerely delight in seeing an independently-minded thinker boldly taking the conversation to places they probably need to go. Thank you. :) I think the most important culture to share is being independently-minded, so I guess we share that at the very least, and that makes me happy, no matter what parts of culture we don't share.

malcolmgreaves 5y ago

You're incredibly wrong. The vaccine is safe. It works. And it's the only tool that will end the pandemic. What does someone need to say to you for you to start caring about other people? Or is this some bogus "the man is making money!" lines of thought? You realize that the vaccine makers have already made their money...right? They're all been paid to make the vaccines: that's why they're free at point of distribution. You getting a shot doesn't get them any richer. In fact, you can help big pharma make more money by getting sick. When you are slowly suffocating to death as your lungs fail, in your panic, you'll absolutely ask for anything to be out into your body for the hope that you won't die in agony (there's no treatments or cures, so it'll be a crap shoot). Though, maybe you will avoid the same end as so many other Americans... I'm glad you said that you won't get hospitalized because you have said that you refuse to be vaccinated. Because, honestly, while I hope that you don't die of this extremely preventable disease, I also hope that you don't waste other people's time. I have family that work in the ER. They've been doing this for over a year now: they exhausted themselves trying to save people before there was a way to prevent COVID. Now....after having to interact with increasingly hostile patients (because only the unvaxxed are getting sick enough to be hospitalized) they don't really have any patience anymore. t They're tired of seeing scared unvaxxers coming in, being angry, and demanding the vaccine as they're dying. Only to get more hostile as they have to explain to them that there's no cures, no treatment, and that it's way too late to get vaccinated. They're past the point of empathy for people that can't even do the bate minimum to take care of their own health. And, by the way, the unvaxxed are the only ones dying of COVID now. At worst, vaxxed folk come into the ICU for a day or two; never need a ventilator. The unvaxxed come in incredibly sick; more and more I get reports that young (20-40) are getting deathly ill. And, even more shocking, delta hits kids much harder than alpha: they're saying in droves now too. It's no longer a disease of the elderly and feeble anymore. I've heard enough horror stories to say with sincerity that I hope you don't get vented. It's a terrible way to die: to have your last days on earth be around strangers looking down at you through masks and goggles while you're physically unable to speak. Slowly suffocating to death as a machine works increasingly harder to force air into your decaying lungs. Once you go on a vent, your chances of survival are depressingly low. Good luck.

jjav 5y ago