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The difference between an IDE and a souped-up vim or emacs configuration is ... very little. Your average fancy pants vim config has auto-completion, debuggers,

The difference between an IDE and a souped-up vim or emacs configuration is ... very little. Your average fancy pants vim config has auto-completion, debuggers, etc.

GlennS 5y ago
I think this is not wrong. When you are using the better quality IDEs (for example C# with Visual Studio, or Java with IntelliJ), they offer you a lot this isn't there in Emacs or VIM. I currently mostly work in Python using Emacs, because I don't know of anything that adds really compelling full-blown IDE features for a dynamically typed language. I will also say that Datagrip and Microsoft SQL Server Studio are both way ahead of any Emacs SQL packages I've tried.
- nwatson 5y ago
  With JetBrains PyCharm or the PyCharm plugin in IntelliJ, you can treat all python3 as statically typed ... use the type-annotations and then linter will catch your mistakes.
  - ngai_aku 5y ago
    You can also do this using emacs with lsp (specifically with pyright as the backend)
    - noidesto 5y ago
      This.
- clircle 5y ago
  Yes, I agree. Conditional on some "difficult" languages like Java, the experience is quite different. For non-difficult languages like C, R, and Python, the gap is small. I've also enjoyed the Emacs/Python experience :)
yoz-y 5y ago
I find that spinning up QtCreator on a new machine is orders of magnitude faster than transporting a vim configuration.
- noidesto 5y ago
  1. Optional: do install of neovim 2. git pull dotfiles 3. cd dotfiles 4. install.sh 5. Profit $$$ Sure, there's some initial setup time but I'm not seeing how its orders of magnitude faster unless your vim config is super bloated and/or has a lot of external dependencies.
  - yoz-y 5y ago
    Yeah. For my vim I need fd, fzf and rg. So my dotfiles repo also has an install script. I never had the patience to setup lsp correctly. Maybe I’ll try again with all lua neovim plug-ins and config.

The difference between an IDE and a souped-up vim or emacs configuration is ... very little. Your average fancy pants vim config has auto-completion, debuggers, etc.

GlennS 5y ago

I think this is not wrong. When you are using the better quality IDEs (for example C# with Visual Studio, or Java with IntelliJ), they offer you a lot this isn't there in Emacs or VIM. I currently mostly work in Python using Emacs, because I don't know of anything that adds really compelling full-blown IDE features for a dynamically typed language. I will also say that Datagrip and Microsoft SQL Server Studio are both way ahead of any Emacs SQL packages I've tried.

nwatson 5y ago
With JetBrains PyCharm or the PyCharm plugin in IntelliJ, you can treat all python3 as statically typed ... use the type-annotations and then linter will catch your mistakes.
- ngai_aku 5y ago
  You can also do this using emacs with lsp (specifically with pyright as the backend)
  - noidesto 5y ago
    This.
clircle 5y ago
Yes, I agree. Conditional on some "difficult" languages like Java, the experience is quite different. For non-difficult languages like C, R, and Python, the gap is small. I've also enjoyed the Emacs/Python experience :)

yoz-y 5y ago

I find that spinning up QtCreator on a new machine is orders of magnitude faster than transporting a vim configuration.

noidesto 5y ago
1. Optional: do install of neovim 2. git pull dotfiles 3. cd dotfiles 4. install.sh 5. Profit $$$ Sure, there's some initial setup time but I'm not seeing how its orders of magnitude faster unless your vim config is super bloated and/or has a lot of external dependencies.
- yoz-y 5y ago
  Yeah. For my vim I need fd, fzf and rg. So my dotfiles repo also has an install script. I never had the patience to setup lsp correctly. Maybe I’ll try again with all lua neovim plug-ins and config.