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Something doesn't add up, and I think it's the author not being able to perceive the problem here. For example, OpenPilot seems to be very comfortable with Lev

Something doesn't add up, and I think it's the author not being able to perceive the problem here. For example, OpenPilot seems to be very comfortable with Level 2 driver assist, and so do their customers - and their position seems to be make driving "chill", like you're commuting more relaxed because the car is doing the boring stuff, yet you need to be present to make some decisions. So clearly this is solving a problem for a lot of people. What people need to understand is that if you don't understand these products, then maybe they aren't meant for you - and that's OK! They are not trying to please everyone, yet that doesn't mean there's not a problem being solved for some.

perl4ever 5y ago
>the car is doing the boring stuff, yet you need to be present to make some decisions. That sounds like a useful thing, but it doesn't sound like what the article was about, and it doesn't sound like a thing that exists. I think a way to rephrase the problem is that humans are some things and machines are good at others, and one of the things that machines are good at is instant safety cutoffs. The self-driving attempts I've heard about rely on humans to be the safety cutoff. Cars are often milliseconds from disaster, because of the close lateral proximity of objects while driving. Like concrete Jersey barriers. You can create space in front of you, as they tell you in defensive driving class, but you can't create 360 degree space. This is the first I've heard about openpilot, but the first thing I read about it is that comma.ai released a device called "comma one" in 2016, a month later the NHTSA asked for information on it, and they said "lol, never mind, it's cancelled". I guess that it's open source now to avoid liability.
- libertine 5y ago
  You should look more into comma.ai, they actually just released "Comma Three" few days ago, the first version with custom hardware and not only off the shelf parts. They actually track the driver and warn you to take control (when you're not looking at the road for example). They seem to be navigating well in terms of liability, namely saying they want to remain Level 2 for the foreseeable future. It's like an upgraded lane assistant/cruise control (of course it seems way better, not trying to sell it short). From what I've been reading, there's a lot of people that would much prefer this option over giving themselves fully to self driving, or even the current solution that Tesla provides. Btw I'm no expert on the comma project, I don't own any, I'm pretty sure there's plenty of people here that know way more then I do and probably own comma hardware. I just keep an eye on what George Hotz is up to.

perl4ever 5y ago

>the car is doing the boring stuff, yet you need to be present to make some decisions. That sounds like a useful thing, but it doesn't sound like what the article was about, and it doesn't sound like a thing that exists. I think a way to rephrase the problem is that humans are some things and machines are good at others, and one of the things that machines are good at is instant safety cutoffs. The self-driving attempts I've heard about rely on humans to be the safety cutoff. Cars are often milliseconds from disaster, because of the close lateral proximity of objects while driving. Like concrete Jersey barriers. You can create space in front of you, as they tell you in defensive driving class, but you can't create 360 degree space. This is the first I've heard about openpilot, but the first thing I read about it is that comma.ai released a device called "comma one" in 2016, a month later the NHTSA asked for information on it, and they said "lol, never mind, it's cancelled". I guess that it's open source now to avoid liability.

libertine 5y ago
You should look more into comma.ai, they actually just released "Comma Three" few days ago, the first version with custom hardware and not only off the shelf parts. They actually track the driver and warn you to take control (when you're not looking at the road for example). They seem to be navigating well in terms of liability, namely saying they want to remain Level 2 for the foreseeable future. It's like an upgraded lane assistant/cruise control (of course it seems way better, not trying to sell it short). From what I've been reading, there's a lot of people that would much prefer this option over giving themselves fully to self driving, or even the current solution that Tesla provides. Btw I'm no expert on the comma project, I don't own any, I'm pretty sure there's plenty of people here that know way more then I do and probably own comma hardware. I just keep an eye on what George Hotz is up to.