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Are you claiming the vaccine has zero known risks? Surely not.

jeromegv 5y ago
There is no such thing as zero risk. With anything. But you can compare risks with the alternative (not getting a vaccine). There’s already been billions of doses administered and millions of Covid patients. We know risks pretty well.
- johnnyApplePRNG 5y ago
  Not over the long term (multiple years, decades), we don't.
  - boxed 5y ago
    What are you talking about now? The vaccine or the virus? Because that's literally true for both! And the mRNA vaccine has a fraction of the code compared to the full virus.
    - johnnyApplePRNG 5y ago
      You have been infected with Coronavirus before. Coronavirus causes the common cold, and has been around for at least 10,000 years. [0] [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coronavirus#Origin https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coronavirus#Origin
      - boxed 5y ago
        You seem quite confused. Nothing you say is relevant. Also many different viruses cause the common cold. Several are not coronavirus.
- BobJackienine 5y ago
  No we don't I almost died from the vaccination nobody told me that was an option
JohnJamesRambo 5y ago
What are the risks? The only ones I know are some thrombosis risk which is tiny for the traditional Astra Zeneca vaccine in the UK. Can you list any serious risk for the mRNA vaccines that has been demonstrated or revealed? >1 As of 4 April 2021, a total of 169 cases of CVST and 53 cases of splanchnic vein thrombosis were reported to EudraVigilance. Around 34 million people had been vaccinated in the EEA and UK by this date. The more recent data do not change the PRAC’s recommendations. How many lives should we estimate those 34 million doses saved? This is simple math. Thrombosis sounds scary but what is more scary and mathematically favored is my unvaccinated family member whose lungs are bricks right now, alone on a ventilator with a 10-15% chance to live.
- jtbayly 5y ago
  So, there you have it, there's a known risk. Now how about unknown risks, which is what the original commenter was talking about? My point is simply that lying and saying there are "no risks" to the vaccine is a recipe for disaster. Let's tell the truth. Nobody has said the risks are comparable.
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- throwaway90899 5y ago
  There is a potential rate of 1-3000/1-6000 getting myocarditis for young males after the second dose [0]. The CDC says the chance of being hospitalized for COVID is 1-2 in 100,000 [1]. Other doctors are saying one dose may be adequate [2] for those in this age range. As someone who falls in this age group, after evaluating my risk factor, it seems logical to not get the vaccine, or potentially get 1 dose. Am I wrong for thinking this? 0: https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2021/06/israel-reports-link-between-rare-cases-heart-inflammation-and-covid-19-vaccination https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2021/06/israel-reports-link-... 1: https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7023e1.htm https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7023e1.htm 2: https://www.medpagetoday.com/opinion/second-opinions/93340 https://www.medpagetoday.com/opinion/second-opinions/93340

There is no such thing as zero risk. With anything. But you can compare risks with the alternative (not getting a vaccine). There’s already been billions of doses administered and millions of Covid patients. We know risks pretty well.

johnnyApplePRNG 5y ago
Not over the long term (multiple years, decades), we don't.
- boxed 5y ago
  What are you talking about now? The vaccine or the virus? Because that's literally true for both! And the mRNA vaccine has a fraction of the code compared to the full virus.
  - johnnyApplePRNG 5y ago
    You have been infected with Coronavirus before. Coronavirus causes the common cold, and has been around for at least 10,000 years. [0] [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coronavirus#Origin https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coronavirus#Origin
    - boxed 5y ago
      You seem quite confused. Nothing you say is relevant. Also many different viruses cause the common cold. Several are not coronavirus.
BobJackienine 5y ago
No we don't I almost died from the vaccination nobody told me that was an option

JohnJamesRambo 5y ago

What are the risks? The only ones I know are some thrombosis risk which is tiny for the traditional Astra Zeneca vaccine in the UK. Can you list any serious risk for the mRNA vaccines that has been demonstrated or revealed? >1 As of 4 April 2021, a total of 169 cases of CVST and 53 cases of splanchnic vein thrombosis were reported to EudraVigilance. Around 34 million people had been vaccinated in the EEA and UK by this date. The more recent data do not change the PRAC’s recommendations. How many lives should we estimate those 34 million doses saved? This is simple math. Thrombosis sounds scary but what is more scary and mathematically favored is my unvaccinated family member whose lungs are bricks right now, alone on a ventilator with a 10-15% chance to live.

jtbayly 5y ago
So, there you have it, there's a known risk. Now how about unknown risks, which is what the original commenter was talking about? My point is simply that lying and saying there are "no risks" to the vaccine is a recipe for disaster. Let's tell the truth. Nobody has said the risks are comparable.
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throwaway90899 5y ago
There is a potential rate of 1-3000/1-6000 getting myocarditis for young males after the second dose [0]. The CDC says the chance of being hospitalized for COVID is 1-2 in 100,000 [1]. Other doctors are saying one dose may be adequate [2] for those in this age range. As someone who falls in this age group, after evaluating my risk factor, it seems logical to not get the vaccine, or potentially get 1 dose. Am I wrong for thinking this? 0: https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2021/06/israel-reports-link-between-rare-cases-heart-inflammation-and-covid-19-vaccination https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2021/06/israel-reports-link-... 1: https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7023e1.htm https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7023e1.htm 2: https://www.medpagetoday.com/opinion/second-opinions/93340 https://www.medpagetoday.com/opinion/second-opinions/93340