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Judging from other comments this will be an unpopular opinion, but the work environment doesn't seem hostile to me. Their biggest issue seems to be that they,
by Closi 5y ago
Judging from other comments this will be an unpopular opinion, but the work environment doesn't seem hostile to me.
Their biggest issue seems to be that they, and their co-worker, didn't get promotions:
> I am currently far exceeding my “assistant” job description and am also seeking a title/compensation change to reflect the project manager role I’m now performing.
> a friend in my department was told she would not receive a promotion because she is not a “team player.” When pressed, HR and her supervisor mentioned her absence from department-bonding activities.
However i'm not sure that they are indicating the right behaviours for a promotion in their message.
1) They seem to think they should get a promotion without taking part in 'department-bonding activities', however taking part in these 'department-bonding activities' is ultimately part of being a manager in lots of companies (where your job becomes more about setting culture, building relationships and demonstrating the right behaviours).
2) They want a promotion, but are "resolutely firm on never working lunches or doing things outside of work hours". IMO Project Managers in lots of companies can't always have as firm boundaries about work and life as an assistant can, and there is an expectation that if things need to be done, they will stay late and work lunches to get stuff done when it needs to be done. That comes with the pay-packet unfortunately.
3) They think they should get a promotion, but describe the fact that they are seen frantically trying to get everything done in their current role, and tell people there is not enough time to join in on the company team-building activities which they appear to roll their eyes at - however the actual behaviour people should put on if they want to become promoted is to be like a 'swan' - i.e. rather than being seen to be busy and barely keeping up with your work, you are seen as gliding through your workload calmly while kicking vigorously under the water level, and still attending the social events despite having lots of work on because you are able to balance everything.
So it sounds like "I want to get a promotion, however I don't want to do the part of the role that involves taking part in relationship-building activities (other than sending a few instant messages), and won't accept being flexible with my hours or even having a working lunch if we are in the shit".
- rizzaxc 5y agoyeah i dont get this woman. she wanna move higher up the ladder, but refusing to do "extra work" and excercising her presence in the company. how does she think she would function with the extra responsibilities?
- throw3849 5y agoIt sounds awfully as unpaid overtime. If she is doing good job at 9-5, she should get a promotion. And it is kind of risky. Some colleague may feel harassed, or disagree with some personal views. Good way to get fired!
- walshemj 5y agoAnd for salaried jobs you normally don't get OT you just mange your own time and take TOIL.
- Closi 5y ago> It sounds awfully as unpaid overtime. Depends on the job - I only have experience in the UK working as a Project Manager, but all Project Manager roles i've had don't have overtime and the expectation is that you work the hours you need to get the job done. You get paid a decent salary, which effectively prices-in this expectation. Overtime doesn't really incentivise good behaviour for project managers anyway, because some people like overtime as you get more pay, but the more effectively you manage the projects you have the less opportunity there will be to get overtime pay (i.e. worse project managers get more hours and more pay). > If she is doing good job at 9-5, she should get a promotion. People don't usually get promotions for doing well in their current role - they usually get a promotion if they are ready & suitable for the next role, and are willing to take on the additional responsibility and accountability that comes with it. > And it is kind of risky. Some colleague may feel harassed, or disagree with some personal views. Good way to get fired! Being able to build relationships with team-members without them feeling harassed is a pretty key skill for managers, and part of this is understanding what personal views to share and which to leave at the door. If you can't build an effective relationship without your team members feeling harassed, you aren't going to be a good manager.
- walshemj 5y agoYour quite correct here also: This is a charity and they are notorious as bad employers / workplaces. Its also not clear if the Job is a real professional salaried job or not - from some of the attitude I suspect its actually more of an admin blue collar role. And from how the person "presents" I suspect they would not be a good manager