3 ms·

Well, you gotta start somewhere. I'm getting tired of people dismissing any effort of changing the world. These are the same people that were laughing at him w

Well, you gotta start somewhere. I'm getting tired of people dismissing any effort of changing the world. These are the same people that were laughing at him when he launched tesla. The same people whole said Apple was doomed, because they only had a smartphone. Etc. etc. etc.

croes 5y ago
And some were laughing as he announced full autonomous driving next year ... five years ago. Or lets talk about his Mars settlement. There a things that are realistic but people thought it's too expensive or too niche and there are things that sound like straight out of science fiction. Musk is good in the former and not so good in the latter.
user-the-name 5y ago
Why do you act like we have not already started? You are making the exact same dismissive mistake Elon is making: Just ignoring the existing work, or assuming it is somehow just shoddy.
ClumsyPilot 5y ago
"I'm getting tired of people dismissing any effort of changing the world." I am getting tired of people praising Elon joke projects as world-changing. Its a voice assistant, we already have them, there is nothong world changing. Also Hyperloop is and Boring company are pretty useless, and are likely to stay that way - passenger capacity of every hyperloop design and of the tonnela are pethetic compared to a normal train
- onethought 5y ago
  I note your omitting: falcon9, starlink, model3, and powerwall from your assessment that Elon’s ideas aren’t world changing.
Traster 5y ago
I think it's just lazy to dismiss everyone's criticism as one thing. Sure, there are idiots out on the internet who are going to crap all over what anyone does for literally any reason. However, the people are criticising are actual people and they do actually have arguments that you should think about. Some of those arguments are bad, but a lot of them aren't. When Elon Musk decided he was going to revolutionize travel with the Boring company a load of experts in town planning and infrastructure came out and said - "Hey, we're experts, we understand this problem, you aren't even solving the right problem" and so far, they seem basically correct. The boring company could completely succeed at its goal, and it wouldn't matter. There are going to be lightweight criticisms of this concept (Musk invites those by making someone dress up in a morph suit and dance like a robot). But there are also going to be more realistic criticisms such as the fact that whilst Humanoid robots have remained science fiction, non-humanoid robots have proliferated massively across industries that were previously fully manual. It'd be great if we could build a humanoid robot to replace all those humans trudging around Amazon fulfillment centres- but we don't need to, because those robots have no reason to be humanoid in the first place. I'm tired of people pretending that just the aspiration to change the world excuses you from real criticism of your ideas. There are plenty of people out there changing the world- some of them mentioned in the article, and those people actually thought out what they were doing before getting a guy in a morph suit to dance in front of the worlds press. Let's not forget, we're still waiting for the autonomous driving promises Musk has failed to deliver on for years now.
- elurg 5y ago
  > "Hey, we're experts, we understand this problem, you aren't even solving the right problem" and so far, they seem basically correct. The boring company could completely succeed at its goal, and it wouldn't matter. A lot of experts in cars and rockets claimed that Tesla and SpaceX are terrible ideas and they were proved wrong many times. Incumbents are too often dismissive of new ideas. Many of the arguments against the boring company are "social arguments" from people who are ideologically committed to bikes and public transport. They have very little to do with whether it is possible to build cheaper tunnels.
  - 5y ago

croes 5y ago

And some were laughing as he announced full autonomous driving next year ... five years ago. Or lets talk about his Mars settlement. There a things that are realistic but people thought it's too expensive or too niche and there are things that sound like straight out of science fiction. Musk is good in the former and not so good in the latter.

user-the-name 5y ago

Why do you act like we have not already started? You are making the exact same dismissive mistake Elon is making: Just ignoring the existing work, or assuming it is somehow just shoddy.

ClumsyPilot 5y ago

"I'm getting tired of people dismissing any effort of changing the world." I am getting tired of people praising Elon joke projects as world-changing. Its a voice assistant, we already have them, there is nothong world changing. Also Hyperloop is and Boring company are pretty useless, and are likely to stay that way - passenger capacity of every hyperloop design and of the tonnela are pethetic compared to a normal train

onethought 5y ago
I note your omitting: falcon9, starlink, model3, and powerwall from your assessment that Elon’s ideas aren’t world changing.

Traster 5y ago

I think it's just lazy to dismiss everyone's criticism as one thing. Sure, there are idiots out on the internet who are going to crap all over what anyone does for literally any reason. However, the people are criticising are actual people and they do actually have arguments that you should think about. Some of those arguments are bad, but a lot of them aren't. When Elon Musk decided he was going to revolutionize travel with the Boring company a load of experts in town planning and infrastructure came out and said - "Hey, we're experts, we understand this problem, you aren't even solving the right problem" and so far, they seem basically correct. The boring company could completely succeed at its goal, and it wouldn't matter. There are going to be lightweight criticisms of this concept (Musk invites those by making someone dress up in a morph suit and dance like a robot). But there are also going to be more realistic criticisms such as the fact that whilst Humanoid robots have remained science fiction, non-humanoid robots have proliferated massively across industries that were previously fully manual. It'd be great if we could build a humanoid robot to replace all those humans trudging around Amazon fulfillment centres- but we don't need to, because those robots have no reason to be humanoid in the first place. I'm tired of people pretending that just the aspiration to change the world excuses you from real criticism of your ideas. There are plenty of people out there changing the world- some of them mentioned in the article, and those people actually thought out what they were doing before getting a guy in a morph suit to dance in front of the worlds press. Let's not forget, we're still waiting for the autonomous driving promises Musk has failed to deliver on for years now.

elurg 5y ago
> "Hey, we're experts, we understand this problem, you aren't even solving the right problem" and so far, they seem basically correct. The boring company could completely succeed at its goal, and it wouldn't matter. A lot of experts in cars and rockets claimed that Tesla and SpaceX are terrible ideas and they were proved wrong many times. Incumbents are too often dismissive of new ideas. Many of the arguments against the boring company are "social arguments" from people who are ideologically committed to bikes and public transport. They have very little to do with whether it is possible to build cheaper tunnels.
- 5y ago