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Everyone complains it's not good enough yet and I agree. But can we look beyond the decision to put this in production and look 2 years ahead? Why would you ne

Everyone complains it's not good enough yet and I agree. But can we look beyond the decision to put this in production and look 2 years ahead? Why would you need vehicle to vehicle communication? They totally are on the right track to do exactly whet human drivers would do (no end to end ML yet though). How far away I can't say, that anything is on the road as is I think is wrong, but the demo here was really really impressive and a big leap. I wonder if they are too proud to build a "don't know that area well"-mode where it drives like grandma and is extra cautious.

schleck8 5y ago
I don't get it either. This is the second 'Tesla doesn't have any idea what they are doing' article I have seen on HN today. Since when are we judging technology by its first iteration or even by the concept? Such a pessimistic sentiment
- Traster 5y ago
  I think we're judging them against what they claimed they would have delivered several years ago by now aren't we? This is the problem, a little bit of driver assist is great, Tesla are doing a great job. So are Volvo. The difference is that Volvo aren't making grandiose claims.
  - kbos87 5y ago
    This. There are thousands of people with Teslas they bought a couple years ago who were sold on a promise of fully autonomous driving. They were told that in the not too distant future, they could sleep at home while their car was out at its job as a part of the autonomous taxi fleet, driving other people where they needed to go by itself, earning them a living! I’m not sure how many people bought the hyperbole, but the lies and misrepresentation was criminal.
    - morpheos137 5y ago
      Did anybody really, honestly want this, seriously?! Did anybody want to pimp their car out for night rides to strangers who dirty the interior and wear out the car? Did anyboby consider that if your car is driving 75% of its duty cycle that parts like battery packs, tires, suspension, bearings wear out faster? The idea of robo taxis was always a pipe dream. Cars are not software. The more they are used the faster they depreciate.
      - jazzyjackson 5y ago
        People love making capital investments that produce passive income, yes. Let the car drive itself to the tire shop if the tires wear out.
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      - HWR_14 5y ago
        The only part of this that doesn't make sense is that you'd ever get in your car again. If the car took itself to the mechanic and to the detailer's shop every day where someone else cleaned it, and you just cashed checks, why wouldn't you do that?
        morpheos137 5y ago
        >the only part. No part of the idea makes sense. There are currently zero examples of adaptive self-maintaining consumer accessible robots navigating the real world autonomously. The idea that taxi rides would cover the enormous R&D costs (likely in the trillions of dollars) that would be required to turn this pipe dream into a reality is also ludicrous.
        HWR_14 5y ago
        You're addressing something different - whether the tech would ever exist. The conversation assumed it did and talked about motivations. I think a lot of people shelled out $8,000+ for FSD under the promise that full robo-taxis were coming and they could retire their cars to the robotaxi fleet when they wanted to upgrade.
  - datavirtue 5y ago
    I recently rented a SUV that regulated the speed based on following distance while in cruise control (maintaining a safe distance automatically). Loved. It. Automobiles need to be flush with tech that first prevents accidents and makes highway driving not suck...especially in relation to pedestrians and non-automobiles. Assistive tech has the ability to make air bags unnecessary...a safety feature the government thought enough of to mandate. We need to mandate the simple tech that saves lives. There are a lot of below average and impaired drivers.
    - whymauri 5y ago
      >I recently rented a SUV that regulated the speed based on following distance while in cruise control (maintaining a safe distance automatically). Loved. It. Same here -- a 2019 Ford Explorer LE that I drove across the country. I recently learned that its lane assist and following distance cruise control is effectively the same as Tesla's 'Self Driving.' Honestly, it's not just disingenuous to call Teslas self-driving, it's irresponsible and dangerous given my experience with similar systems. Don't get me wrong -- it's great!! The emergency collision braking system saved me from a major car crash with a drunk driver in Vegas. But the fact that there are people fully relying on it to be futuristic, fully-featured autonomous driving _is going to kill people._ Hell, if I had turned on assist in some of the mountain roads I drove on, I might have wound up dead myself -- and drivers must be educated about this.

schleck8 5y ago

I don't get it either. This is the second 'Tesla doesn't have any idea what they are doing' article I have seen on HN today. Since when are we judging technology by its first iteration or even by the concept? Such a pessimistic sentiment

Traster 5y ago
I think we're judging them against what they claimed they would have delivered several years ago by now aren't we? This is the problem, a little bit of driver assist is great, Tesla are doing a great job. So are Volvo. The difference is that Volvo aren't making grandiose claims.
- kbos87 5y ago
  This. There are thousands of people with Teslas they bought a couple years ago who were sold on a promise of fully autonomous driving. They were told that in the not too distant future, they could sleep at home while their car was out at its job as a part of the autonomous taxi fleet, driving other people where they needed to go by itself, earning them a living! I’m not sure how many people bought the hyperbole, but the lies and misrepresentation was criminal.
  - morpheos137 5y ago
    Did anybody really, honestly want this, seriously?! Did anybody want to pimp their car out for night rides to strangers who dirty the interior and wear out the car? Did anyboby consider that if your car is driving 75% of its duty cycle that parts like battery packs, tires, suspension, bearings wear out faster? The idea of robo taxis was always a pipe dream. Cars are not software. The more they are used the faster they depreciate.
    - jazzyjackson 5y ago
      People love making capital investments that produce passive income, yes. Let the car drive itself to the tire shop if the tires wear out.
      - deleted 5y ago
        [deleted]
    - HWR_14 5y ago
      The only part of this that doesn't make sense is that you'd ever get in your car again. If the car took itself to the mechanic and to the detailer's shop every day where someone else cleaned it, and you just cashed checks, why wouldn't you do that?
      - morpheos137 5y ago
        >the only part. No part of the idea makes sense. There are currently zero examples of adaptive self-maintaining consumer accessible robots navigating the real world autonomously. The idea that taxi rides would cover the enormous R&D costs (likely in the trillions of dollars) that would be required to turn this pipe dream into a reality is also ludicrous.
        HWR_14 5y ago
        You're addressing something different - whether the tech would ever exist. The conversation assumed it did and talked about motivations. I think a lot of people shelled out $8,000+ for FSD under the promise that full robo-taxis were coming and they could retire their cars to the robotaxi fleet when they wanted to upgrade.
- datavirtue 5y ago
  I recently rented a SUV that regulated the speed based on following distance while in cruise control (maintaining a safe distance automatically). Loved. It. Automobiles need to be flush with tech that first prevents accidents and makes highway driving not suck...especially in relation to pedestrians and non-automobiles. Assistive tech has the ability to make air bags unnecessary...a safety feature the government thought enough of to mandate. We need to mandate the simple tech that saves lives. There are a lot of below average and impaired drivers.
  - whymauri 5y ago
    >I recently rented a SUV that regulated the speed based on following distance while in cruise control (maintaining a safe distance automatically). Loved. It. Same here -- a 2019 Ford Explorer LE that I drove across the country. I recently learned that its lane assist and following distance cruise control is effectively the same as Tesla's 'Self Driving.' Honestly, it's not just disingenuous to call Teslas self-driving, it's irresponsible and dangerous given my experience with similar systems. Don't get me wrong -- it's great!! The emergency collision braking system saved me from a major car crash with a drunk driver in Vegas. But the fact that there are people fully relying on it to be futuristic, fully-featured autonomous driving _is going to kill people._ Hell, if I had turned on assist in some of the mountain roads I drove on, I might have wound up dead myself -- and drivers must be educated about this.