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I think a better metric now (compared to March 2020) is number of severe cases and hospitalizations and not number of infections. I wonder if we counted how ma

I think a better metric now (compared to March 2020) is number of severe cases and hospitalizations and not number of infections. I wonder if we counted how many people got common cold/flu before the pandemic that number would also be large.

newbamboo 5y ago
A nearby county is one of the few in the state that is honestly reporting the share of vaccinated cases being hospitalized. Only 2/3rds if the hospitals are reporting, and about half of the patients in those 2/3rds of hospitals are vaccinated. Of course without knowing the age of the patients and the vaccination rate for that age bracket it’s hard to make much sense of the numbers. That is intentional. The data are available and could be reported but they are not, intentionally. That most counties are withholding this information— the share of hospitalized cases that are vaccinated— is unconscionable to me. Is that not misinformation? They have the data and could report it, they’re reporting all sorts of other information about hospitalizations. It’s quite clear that they are withholding this information to help market the vaccines to the unvaccinated. If they reported the share of severe cases that were fully vaccinated it might give justification to the hesitant. The problem is, by withholding the data to shade the truth and provide “nudges” as Fauci likes to say, they are instilling a false sense of safety in many vaccinated high risk people. I’ve had arguments with elderly high risk family members when I tried to alert them to the Israel data and the fact that the vaccines were losing efficacy. They thought I’d fallen prey to anti-vaxx conspiracy theories. They we’re “trusting the science” that was being quoted by their favorite politicians and news outlets. I was paying attention to the international scientific literature. Ironically, similar arguments played out at the outset of the pandemic when I tried to warn them that despite the WHO repeatedly saying there was no evidence of a pandemic, there indeed was a pandemic rapidly approaching. One went to Chinese New Year party in San Francisco, encouraged specifically by Nancy Palosi. Similarly, at the outset of the pandemic I tried to tell them to wear masks, but our vaunted experts told them not to. Up until a few days ago, they thought their vaccines rendered them invincible. Thankfully the sourced they trust are now talking about boosters, so they are being more cautious. I’m sick of dangerous misinformation but it’s mostly come from the media and politicians. The scientific literature with a few notable examples has been solid. Sadly most posters in this thread won’t read it. Instead they’ll “trust the science” that the news muppets tell them to.

newbamboo 5y ago

A nearby county is one of the few in the state that is honestly reporting the share of vaccinated cases being hospitalized. Only 2/3rds if the hospitals are reporting, and about half of the patients in those 2/3rds of hospitals are vaccinated. Of course without knowing the age of the patients and the vaccination rate for that age bracket it’s hard to make much sense of the numbers. That is intentional. The data are available and could be reported but they are not, intentionally. That most counties are withholding this information— the share of hospitalized cases that are vaccinated— is unconscionable to me. Is that not misinformation? They have the data and could report it, they’re reporting all sorts of other information about hospitalizations. It’s quite clear that they are withholding this information to help market the vaccines to the unvaccinated. If they reported the share of severe cases that were fully vaccinated it might give justification to the hesitant. The problem is, by withholding the data to shade the truth and provide “nudges” as Fauci likes to say, they are instilling a false sense of safety in many vaccinated high risk people. I’ve had arguments with elderly high risk family members when I tried to alert them to the Israel data and the fact that the vaccines were losing efficacy. They thought I’d fallen prey to anti-vaxx conspiracy theories. They we’re “trusting the science” that was being quoted by their favorite politicians and news outlets. I was paying attention to the international scientific literature. Ironically, similar arguments played out at the outset of the pandemic when I tried to warn them that despite the WHO repeatedly saying there was no evidence of a pandemic, there indeed was a pandemic rapidly approaching. One went to Chinese New Year party in San Francisco, encouraged specifically by Nancy Palosi. Similarly, at the outset of the pandemic I tried to tell them to wear masks, but our vaunted experts told them not to. Up until a few days ago, they thought their vaccines rendered them invincible. Thankfully the sourced they trust are now talking about boosters, so they are being more cautious. I’m sick of dangerous misinformation but it’s mostly come from the media and politicians. The scientific literature with a few notable examples has been solid. Sadly most posters in this thread won’t read it. Instead they’ll “trust the science” that the news muppets tell them to.