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I thought the number one cause of death in humans was heart disease?

tasty_freeze 5y ago
In countries where the main problem is an overabundance of food, where people live a long time, then yes, heart disease is the #1 killer. For most of history and much of the less developed modern world, heart disease is not much of an issue.
- moralestapia 5y ago
  >For most of history and much of the less developed modern world, heart disease is not much of an issue. >not. much. of. an. issue. Sorry but I can only laugh at that statement. Do you live in a different "world", by chance? Where I live (Earth, third planet from the sun) heart related conditions are always leading causes of death, even in poor countries.
  - tasty_freeze 5y ago
    > Do you live in a different "world", by chance? Do you make a habit of belittling when making your points? >not. much. of. an. issue. If you are going to quote me, please quote me, don't add extra text that I didn't write. > heart related conditions are always leading causes of death, even in poor countries. OK, I picked Nigeria out of a hat. It is a large country so the statistics should be pretty stable and has a diversity of rural and urban populations. https://www.statista.com/statistics/1122916/main-causes-of-death-and-disability-in-nigeria/ https://www.statista.com/statistics/1122916/main-causes-of-d... If you don't want to click, the short of it is: neonatal (12%), malaria (12%), diarrhea (11%), lower respiratory infection (11%), HIV/AIDS (5%), heart disease (4.4%) Your claim that it is always the #1 killer is disproven. Are there poor countries where heart disease is #1. For sure. But you shouldn't be sneering at my statement.
kleer001 5y ago
per capita in certain countries but by historical body count alone nothing comes close to those little buggers
moralestapia 5y ago
You are right, and finding data on that is trivial. It is quite foolish to argue against that.
- kleer001 5y ago
  Per year and all-time are different stats
  - moralestapia 5y ago
    ??? You seem to imply that Malaria has killed more humans throughout history than heart disease. Laughably, you do not show any source to back up your statement ¯\_(ツ)_/¯. I disagree based on extremely easy to obtain numbers from sources like [1]. Malaria at 200k/year is not even close to Ischaemic heart disease at at about 9M/year. That is an almost 50-fold difference (!). Given that we have experienced an exponential growth in population in the last 100 or so years, I would not be inclined to believe that something in the past has enough weight to shift the numbers in such dramatic way to invert this trend (50 to 1); and that's being VERY generous and assuming that somehow, in the past, for whatever reason, nobody died from heart disease, at all. If you have a substantial contribution to make please do so and provide data to support your arguments, otherwise, refrain from spreading lies and FUD. [1] https://www.who.int/news-room/fact-sheets/detail/the-top-10-causes-of-death https://www.who.int/news-room/fact-sheets/detail/the-top-10-...
    - kleer001 5y ago
      ah, I see the confusion. Heart disease may have killed more, cancer too, but neither of those are animals. The stat easily stands at mosquitoes being the number one deadliest animal to humans of all time. https://www.realclearscience.com/quick_and_clear_science/2019/10/03/has_malaria_really_killed_half_of_everyone_who_ever_lived.html https://www.realclearscience.com/quick_and_clear_science/201...
kleer001 5y ago
heart disease isn't an animal

In countries where the main problem is an overabundance of food, where people live a long time, then yes, heart disease is the #1 killer. For most of history and much of the less developed modern world, heart disease is not much of an issue.

moralestapia 5y ago
>For most of history and much of the less developed modern world, heart disease is not much of an issue. >not. much. of. an. issue. Sorry but I can only laugh at that statement. Do you live in a different "world", by chance? Where I live (Earth, third planet from the sun) heart related conditions are always leading causes of death, even in poor countries.
- tasty_freeze 5y ago
  > Do you live in a different "world", by chance? Do you make a habit of belittling when making your points? >not. much. of. an. issue. If you are going to quote me, please quote me, don't add extra text that I didn't write. > heart related conditions are always leading causes of death, even in poor countries. OK, I picked Nigeria out of a hat. It is a large country so the statistics should be pretty stable and has a diversity of rural and urban populations. https://www.statista.com/statistics/1122916/main-causes-of-death-and-disability-in-nigeria/ https://www.statista.com/statistics/1122916/main-causes-of-d... If you don't want to click, the short of it is: neonatal (12%), malaria (12%), diarrhea (11%), lower respiratory infection (11%), HIV/AIDS (5%), heart disease (4.4%) Your claim that it is always the #1 killer is disproven. Are there poor countries where heart disease is #1. For sure. But you shouldn't be sneering at my statement.

kleer001 5y ago

per capita in certain countries but by historical body count alone nothing comes close to those little buggers

moralestapia 5y ago

You are right, and finding data on that is trivial. It is quite foolish to argue against that.

kleer001 5y ago
Per year and all-time are different stats
- moralestapia 5y ago
  ??? You seem to imply that Malaria has killed more humans throughout history than heart disease. Laughably, you do not show any source to back up your statement ¯\_(ツ)_/¯. I disagree based on extremely easy to obtain numbers from sources like [1]. Malaria at 200k/year is not even close to Ischaemic heart disease at at about 9M/year. That is an almost 50-fold difference (!). Given that we have experienced an exponential growth in population in the last 100 or so years, I would not be inclined to believe that something in the past has enough weight to shift the numbers in such dramatic way to invert this trend (50 to 1); and that's being VERY generous and assuming that somehow, in the past, for whatever reason, nobody died from heart disease, at all. If you have a substantial contribution to make please do so and provide data to support your arguments, otherwise, refrain from spreading lies and FUD. [1] https://www.who.int/news-room/fact-sheets/detail/the-top-10-causes-of-death https://www.who.int/news-room/fact-sheets/detail/the-top-10-...
  - kleer001 5y ago
    ah, I see the confusion. Heart disease may have killed more, cancer too, but neither of those are animals. The stat easily stands at mosquitoes being the number one deadliest animal to humans of all time. https://www.realclearscience.com/quick_and_clear_science/2019/10/03/has_malaria_really_killed_half_of_everyone_who_ever_lived.html https://www.realclearscience.com/quick_and_clear_science/201...

kleer001 5y ago

heart disease isn't an animal