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“what level of pandemic restrictions are you willing to accept forever?” That’s the question our leaders seem to be terrified to answer. How long until Fauci

“what level of pandemic restrictions are you willing to accept forever?” That’s the question our leaders seem to be terrified to answer. How long until Fauci admits that its not just going to go away?

solarengineer 5y ago
Non-American here from Singapore. There’s “not going away” and then there’s “are enough vaccinated? Are the vulnerable vaccinated? Do we have hospital bed and nurse +doctor capacity?” Here in Singapore, we’re ensuring that those above 60 get vaccinated where feasible before we fully open up. Meanwhile, with an increasing percentage of the population getting vaccinated, there are gradual lifting of controls. The Ministerial Task Force have said a few months ago that Singapore will have to prepare for the possibility that COVID 19 will be endemic. I suggest that rather than take potshots at Faucci, it’d be wise to understand whether your hospital systems are ready for an upsurge in those who need to be hospitalised.
- tiahura 5y ago
  I think you’re probably right that lockdown measures should track, inter alia, projected hospital utilization. However, the message we’re still receiving is that the lockdown remains necessary because if we can just maintain it a bit longer, COVID will go away. It seems a bit disingenuous, sorta like “free beer…tomorrow.”
- manwe150 5y ago
  If you look at past graphs, the US could have been fully vaccinated by mid-June or perhaps July. The current problems faced by the hospital system in some areas of the US were probably avoidable, so what is true for Singapore’s policies is not the same in the US. But it is likely quite hard to predict hospital utilization, since it changes many weeks after we needed to change behaviors to maybe avoid it.
s5300 5y ago
Speaking of the US I think at this point, most of the vaccinated would no longer care if it weren't for the fact that procedures for things like cancer treatments and major surgeries are being outright canceled, for months, so that all resources can be spent treating all of the unvaxxed who are now scared enough about their "little cough" that they need to go to the doctor for it.
- kmonsen 5y ago
  And kids under 12 not having access to vaccine. Once that is in place I personally think it’s time to go UK and figure out what this looks like long term. I wonder if insurance companies will have different rates for people who choose to forgo essential vaccinations in the future.
rsfern 5y ago
I get that Fauci in particular is a controversial figure for some reason, but he’s for a long time been realistic that this virus has a high probability of becoming endemic [0]. I’m not sure why anyone would single him out as opposed to political leaders who sort of have a habit of addressing (or not) issues obliquely. [0]: https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/health/2021/02/17/covid-19-likely-become-endemic-experts-say-heres-what-means/4487953001/ https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/health/2021/02/17/covid-...

solarengineer 5y ago

Non-American here from Singapore. There’s “not going away” and then there’s “are enough vaccinated? Are the vulnerable vaccinated? Do we have hospital bed and nurse +doctor capacity?” Here in Singapore, we’re ensuring that those above 60 get vaccinated where feasible before we fully open up. Meanwhile, with an increasing percentage of the population getting vaccinated, there are gradual lifting of controls. The Ministerial Task Force have said a few months ago that Singapore will have to prepare for the possibility that COVID 19 will be endemic. I suggest that rather than take potshots at Faucci, it’d be wise to understand whether your hospital systems are ready for an upsurge in those who need to be hospitalised.

tiahura 5y ago
I think you’re probably right that lockdown measures should track, inter alia, projected hospital utilization. However, the message we’re still receiving is that the lockdown remains necessary because if we can just maintain it a bit longer, COVID will go away. It seems a bit disingenuous, sorta like “free beer…tomorrow.”
manwe150 5y ago
If you look at past graphs, the US could have been fully vaccinated by mid-June or perhaps July. The current problems faced by the hospital system in some areas of the US were probably avoidable, so what is true for Singapore’s policies is not the same in the US. But it is likely quite hard to predict hospital utilization, since it changes many weeks after we needed to change behaviors to maybe avoid it.

s5300 5y ago

Speaking of the US I think at this point, most of the vaccinated would no longer care if it weren't for the fact that procedures for things like cancer treatments and major surgeries are being outright canceled, for months, so that all resources can be spent treating all of the unvaxxed who are now scared enough about their "little cough" that they need to go to the doctor for it.

kmonsen 5y ago
And kids under 12 not having access to vaccine. Once that is in place I personally think it’s time to go UK and figure out what this looks like long term. I wonder if insurance companies will have different rates for people who choose to forgo essential vaccinations in the future.

rsfern 5y ago

I get that Fauci in particular is a controversial figure for some reason, but he’s for a long time been realistic that this virus has a high probability of becoming endemic [0]. I’m not sure why anyone would single him out as opposed to political leaders who sort of have a habit of addressing (or not) issues obliquely. [0]: https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/health/2021/02/17/covid-19-likely-become-endemic-experts-say-heres-what-means/4487953001/ https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/health/2021/02/17/covid-...