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> who are the "white people"? I think I know what you're getting at - these concepts evolved over time. Irish and Italians didn't used to be considered "white"
by deanCommie 5y ago
> who are the "white people"?
I think I know what you're getting at - these concepts evolved over time. Irish and Italians didn't used to be considered "white". They do now.
But the answer is statistics. Broadly speaking, in western society, "White people" are the ones that have privilege to be not discriminated against in the court system, with housing, with job applications, with police brutality, etc.
We are the ones that get treated as the "default". This is why "white-passing" is a term that exists.
> Justice is built on the principle of individual responsibility for a reason, collective punishments don't have a place in just society.
That's the whole point - we still do have collective punishments that need to be negated. Black people DO get disproportionately higher prison sentences for the same crimes. Black people DO experience disproportionately more police brutality for the same behaviour. etc.
> But I'll indulge the thought that white owe collectively some kind of reparations... So, what's the amount, and to whom do I pay to be free of the burden? Do I get a certificate after I pay? After wich percentage of payment from the whites can we start removing poc subsidies in job and education?
Since I didn't bring up actual financial reparations, let's leave that discussion for another day.
Fixing injustices and issues of privilege doesn't require those with privilege to pay anything. For those used to privilege equality can feel like oppression, but it doesn't have to.
The goal is to build society based on merit, not racial assumptions. When black people get beat by the police the same amount as white people, that's when we're done, for example.
Your white responsibility for example, is that when you hear about an instance of police brutality is not to have the first question you ask be "What did the victim do to deserve it?"
- avereveard 5y agoPolice brutality is something so American-centered it just further highlights the problem of bunching "whites" together.
- throwawayQL9 5y ago> Irish and Italians didn't used to be considered "white". Got a cite that fair-skin Irish and Italians were ever considered "not white" (not "not English", but "not white")? > Broadly speaking, in western society, "White people" are the ones that have privilege to be not discriminated against in the court system, with housing, with job applications, with police brutality, etc. So now "white" is anyone who gets affirmative action? > Black people DO get disproportionately higher prison sentences for the same crimes. Black people DO experience disproportionately more police brutality for the same behaviour. etc. Blacks commit half of all murders but they are only a third of those killed by the police.
- loopz 5y agoIf there are white responsibilities, there must be black responsibilities too, what are those? Maybe ask her instead: https://twitter.com/desiraethinking https://twitter.com/desiraethinking At least she's black, but maybe her opinions aren't black enough? Madness lie that way anyway, so better embrace it and let go of the stereotypes. I prefer the term "structural discrimination" though, and have no doubt it's real and a much bigger problem to tackle.
- throwawayQL9 5y ago> Maybe ask her instead: https://twitter.com/desiraethinking https://twitter.com/desiraethinking Interesting. Thanks. Beware, though. My other comment in this thread was flagged. The marxists running this site can't cope with facts.
- akomtu 5y agoA quote from Ibram Kendi's "How to be an anti-racist": > The only remedy to past discrimination is present discrimination. The only remedy to present discrimination is future discrimination. In such debates, the woke are their own worst enemies.