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>> Yet, white college students and graduates were significantly more likely than the average black or Hispanic respondent to brand these statements as “offensiv

>> Yet, white college students and graduates were significantly more likely than the average black or Hispanic respondent to brand these statements as “offensive.” This effect was especially pronounced among white highly-educated respondents who identified with the left. This is what is called Cancel Culture. It is really not OK to be offended on behalf of someone else. When people do this, they are infantilizing (is that a word?) the supposedly offended and some of them don't like that behavior. But go ahead and change your git repository to "main" instead of "master" just in case someone thinks it's some kind of slavery reference (everyone will update all their documentation and tutorials right?). Next we can work on your cars brakes (master cylinder), anything that involved master templates, certain golf tournaments, and what on earth are we going to do with all those masters degrees?

darksaints 5y ago
> This is what is called Cancel Culture. It is really not OK to be offended on behalf of someone else. When people do this, they are infantilizing (is that a word?) the supposedly offended and some of them don't like that behavior. The Cancel Culture term is one that is thrown around as if it is only something that leftists do. And with respect to projecting offense to perceived racism, the left certainly has that market covered. But what about projecting offense to veterans when someone takes a knee to the national anthem? The rush to define Cancel Culture is just as politically motivated and politically applied as the rush to define racism.
d0gbread 5y ago
There is some nuance here you're glossing over. First, someone can be offended but not targeted. My dad's racist rants offend me, that's not cancel culture. And it's not on behalf of the group he's ranting about, it's because he's a savage. I'm offended by his lack of effort, empathy, and curious conversation. Second, surely you can appreciate the difference between master in a master-slave configuration and master as in, good at something. A masters degree doesn't imply a slave degree.
- phkahler 5y ago
  >> There is some nuance here you're glossing over. No, I'm not the one glossing over anything. git repositories don't have "slave" branches, just a "master' as in template or origin. It's other people who think every code repository needs to be renamed because they don't understand the difference. Or worse, since like the article indicates it's mostly highly "educated" white people that want this, they are implicitly saying other people don't understand the nuance (I wouldn't even use that word, since the situation is so far removed from slavery).
  - akvadrako 5y ago
    > git repositories don't have "slave" branches, just a "master' as in template or origin That isn't true - master in git comes from master in BitKeeper which did have slave replicas. https://github.com/bitkeeper-scm/bitkeeper/blob/master/doc/HOWTO.ask https://github.com/bitkeeper-scm/bitkeeper/blob/master/doc/H... Not that there is anything wrong with slave in this context.
    - phkahler 5y ago
      Git repositories dont have slave replicas, they have forks.
spicymaki 5y ago
Actually what you are describing is called empathy. Master/Slave terminology in technology should probably be phased out moving forward. It is descriptive, but I think we can acknowledge that it is a bit offensive. The Masters tournament in golf was heavily segregated until the mid 1970s and the Augusta National Golf Club just started to admit women in 2012. That example is probably not the hill you want to die on. Masters degree is fine, although one could argue do you really have mastery of the subject when you achieve that degree?
- f1refly 5y ago
  > It is descriptive, but I think we can acknowledge that it is a bit offensive. We absolutely cannot agree on that, speak for yourself only please. > Masters degree is fine Why?
  - spicymaki 5y ago
    > We absolutely cannot agree on that, speak for yourself only please. Sure, offensiveness is subjective, it is true that there is no "offensive" term that everyone would find problematic. It is up to individuals and institutions to determine what they find acceptable or not on a case by case basis. A question for you: Is there any term in common use that you would find offensive and want changed? Is there any acceptable standard method by which that change could occur? >> Masters degree is fine > Why? In my opinion mastery of a subject is not related to being a slave master. However, in the previous example, we are talking about subject that has horrific connotations.
    - f1refly 5y ago
      > Is there any term in common use that you would find offensive and want changed? Is there any acceptable standard method by which that change could occur? Yes, no and no. There are plenty of terms that I find distasteful and would not use personally, but I do respect everybodies right to talk as they wish and will not force my opinion on people over such subjective matters. Change will occur when people decide they want to talk some other way, trying to force them will make them annoyed and irritated. > However, in the previous example, we are talking about subject that has horrific connotations. And trying to change that language will not make the situation of actual slaves any better. The master slave relationship of the master branch to its slave branches is an objectively correct description of the state of affairs, in addition to it being widely recognized technical jargon. There's nothing to be gained except satisfying the lust for power of people who seem to dedicate their lifes to being professional victims on twitter. This is all that's being achieved here, really. Fighting actual enslavement happening right now would be way too uncomfortable I guess, better to harass people online to make some subjectively bad words go away.

darksaints 5y ago

> This is what is called Cancel Culture. It is really not OK to be offended on behalf of someone else. When people do this, they are infantilizing (is that a word?) the supposedly offended and some of them don't like that behavior. The Cancel Culture term is one that is thrown around as if it is only something that leftists do. And with respect to projecting offense to perceived racism, the left certainly has that market covered. But what about projecting offense to veterans when someone takes a knee to the national anthem? The rush to define Cancel Culture is just as politically motivated and politically applied as the rush to define racism.

d0gbread 5y ago

There is some nuance here you're glossing over. First, someone can be offended but not targeted. My dad's racist rants offend me, that's not cancel culture. And it's not on behalf of the group he's ranting about, it's because he's a savage. I'm offended by his lack of effort, empathy, and curious conversation. Second, surely you can appreciate the difference between master in a master-slave configuration and master as in, good at something. A masters degree doesn't imply a slave degree.

phkahler 5y ago
>> There is some nuance here you're glossing over. No, I'm not the one glossing over anything. git repositories don't have "slave" branches, just a "master' as in template or origin. It's other people who think every code repository needs to be renamed because they don't understand the difference. Or worse, since like the article indicates it's mostly highly "educated" white people that want this, they are implicitly saying other people don't understand the nuance (I wouldn't even use that word, since the situation is so far removed from slavery).
- akvadrako 5y ago
  > git repositories don't have "slave" branches, just a "master' as in template or origin That isn't true - master in git comes from master in BitKeeper which did have slave replicas. https://github.com/bitkeeper-scm/bitkeeper/blob/master/doc/HOWTO.ask https://github.com/bitkeeper-scm/bitkeeper/blob/master/doc/H... Not that there is anything wrong with slave in this context.
  - phkahler 5y ago
    Git repositories dont have slave replicas, they have forks.

spicymaki 5y ago

Actually what you are describing is called empathy. Master/Slave terminology in technology should probably be phased out moving forward. It is descriptive, but I think we can acknowledge that it is a bit offensive. The Masters tournament in golf was heavily segregated until the mid 1970s and the Augusta National Golf Club just started to admit women in 2012. That example is probably not the hill you want to die on. Masters degree is fine, although one could argue do you really have mastery of the subject when you achieve that degree?

f1refly 5y ago
> It is descriptive, but I think we can acknowledge that it is a bit offensive. We absolutely cannot agree on that, speak for yourself only please. > Masters degree is fine Why?
- spicymaki 5y ago
  > We absolutely cannot agree on that, speak for yourself only please. Sure, offensiveness is subjective, it is true that there is no "offensive" term that everyone would find problematic. It is up to individuals and institutions to determine what they find acceptable or not on a case by case basis. A question for you: Is there any term in common use that you would find offensive and want changed? Is there any acceptable standard method by which that change could occur? >> Masters degree is fine > Why? In my opinion mastery of a subject is not related to being a slave master. However, in the previous example, we are talking about subject that has horrific connotations.
  - f1refly 5y ago
    > Is there any term in common use that you would find offensive and want changed? Is there any acceptable standard method by which that change could occur? Yes, no and no. There are plenty of terms that I find distasteful and would not use personally, but I do respect everybodies right to talk as they wish and will not force my opinion on people over such subjective matters. Change will occur when people decide they want to talk some other way, trying to force them will make them annoyed and irritated. > However, in the previous example, we are talking about subject that has horrific connotations. And trying to change that language will not make the situation of actual slaves any better. The master slave relationship of the master branch to its slave branches is an objectively correct description of the state of affairs, in addition to it being widely recognized technical jargon. There's nothing to be gained except satisfying the lust for power of people who seem to dedicate their lifes to being professional victims on twitter. This is all that's being achieved here, really. Fighting actual enslavement happening right now would be way too uncomfortable I guess, better to harass people online to make some subjectively bad words go away.