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> I think the problem is that "calories in, calories out" is not that easy since it's hard to measure the calories in and the calories out precisely. You don't

> I think the problem is that "calories in, calories out" is not that easy since it's hard to measure the calories in and the calories out precisely. You don't have to, precise calorie counting is a strawman argument against CICO. All the fat people I've ever known, which is most of my family and many of my friends, all eat way too much. I ate too much too, ever since I was a kid. Huge portion sizes and constantly grazing throughout the day without set meal times were the norm for me and those around me. After hearing CICO repeated often, I recognized these behaviors in myself and corrected them. I didn't need to count calories for any of it. Where I would once buy a pizza and devour it over the course of an evening, I now save half for lunch the next day. Anybody can do that if they choose to. By eating less, I've lost about 75 lbs in 5 years.

Zababa 5y ago
So your refutation against that is your personal experience? I'm glad it worked out for you but that seem a bit weak. > precise calorie counting is a strawman argument against CICO Precise calorie counting is what most people talking about CICO promote though. And not to "get an intuition for how much calories are in food", what you hear most often is "calculate your TDEE, eat 500 calories under".
- MichaelGroves 5y ago
  The most important message of CICO is not "count your calories". It's "you're fat because you eat too much." Matter isn't materializing out of the aether and putting itself into your ass, it comes from you eating too much food. Fat people are fat because there is an imbalance in how much they eat and how active they are. And in modern American society, the vast majority of it is from a culture of binge eating. This is what I've observed not only in myself, but in every other fat person I've met. There are all kinds of coping mechanisms people use to excuse themselves and stay fat. "I don't eat more than normal, I'm just a genetic anomaly who absorbs more nutrients from food than everybody else.." Well assuming that wasn't BS, the answer is still to eat less. Or "CICO is just a thought terminating cliche"; if I had fallen for that BS, I'd still be fat. I'm glad I saw through those lies.
balfirevic 5y ago
> I would once buy a pizza and devour it over the course of an evening, I now save half for lunch the next day. Do you have trouble falling asleep while hungry?

Zababa 5y ago

So your refutation against that is your personal experience? I'm glad it worked out for you but that seem a bit weak. > precise calorie counting is a strawman argument against CICO Precise calorie counting is what most people talking about CICO promote though. And not to "get an intuition for how much calories are in food", what you hear most often is "calculate your TDEE, eat 500 calories under".

MichaelGroves 5y ago
The most important message of CICO is not "count your calories". It's "you're fat because you eat too much." Matter isn't materializing out of the aether and putting itself into your ass, it comes from you eating too much food. Fat people are fat because there is an imbalance in how much they eat and how active they are. And in modern American society, the vast majority of it is from a culture of binge eating. This is what I've observed not only in myself, but in every other fat person I've met. There are all kinds of coping mechanisms people use to excuse themselves and stay fat. "I don't eat more than normal, I'm just a genetic anomaly who absorbs more nutrients from food than everybody else.." Well assuming that wasn't BS, the answer is still to eat less. Or "CICO is just a thought terminating cliche"; if I had fallen for that BS, I'd still be fat. I'm glad I saw through those lies.

balfirevic 5y ago

> I would once buy a pizza and devour it over the course of an evening, I now save half for lunch the next day. Do you have trouble falling asleep while hungry?