> Trump claimed "there was fraud" a bazillion times, with no evidence. How can there be visible evidence for a process that is very opaque, particularly becaus

> Trump claimed "there was fraud" a bazillion times, with no evidence. How can there be visible evidence for a process that is very opaque, particularly because each state manages the process differently with their own standards on security and audits? There are some clear reasons to distrust the process: for example, the two major parties don't even agree on voter ID, which seems like such a basic requirement to have a trustworthy political process. Excuses against voter ID don't make sense given how much identification and validation is needed for the COVID-19 vaccinations, but they still persist. Personally, I don't believe there was fraud at a scale that would affect the election outcomes. However, I do think there are a nonzero number of problems in every election season, many opportunities to improve the integrity of the process, and that we should strive for a perfectly trustworthy and easily auditable process. For now, identifying those opportunities to improve the process starts with speculating about what could have gone wrong. > He also told the Georgia Secretary of State to "find 12,000 votes", and a bunch of other stuff. That's the attempted coup. You're moving the goalposts. January 6th in particular, has been consistently been portrayed as a coup, by dedicated activists, journalists, and Biden supporters more broadly. Words have meaning, and clearly January 6th was not a "coup". As for the "find 12,000 votes" comment - I don't like it, and I'll wait for the conclusion of the investigations to see if any laws were broken. I will say though, that people also "find votes" in other ways - for example ballot harvesting is legal in Washington state, and politicians/activists regularly hold last minute drives to gather votes from homeless people (which can be marked to any desired location), in a process of dubious electoral security that is nevertheless legal.