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> It is incredible to me that climate change is still considered to be nonsense by so many people. No need to be incredulous. Any issue that is politicized by

by umvi 5y ago

> It is incredible to me that climate change is still considered to be nonsense by so many people. No need to be incredulous. Any issue that is politicized by default will cause polarization of beliefs on the subject. If you haven't realized this by now, take a look at covid. Because climate change is politicized, your political affiliation changes how you view the issue (because your political affiliation affects your trusted sources of information in the world): Extreme left: "Humanity's only hope for survival is to colonize Mars. Climate change will have apocalyptic consequences for the planet in the very near future, and earth is pretty much doomed. Nothing short of an authoritarian new world government can hope to approach sequestering the amount of carbon we need to reverse the effects." Far left: "Climate change is THE biggest threat facing humanity. This problem MUST be prioritized at all costs above all other problems, NOW." Middle left: "Climate change is real, but what can I really do? I already drive a Nissan Leaf and recycle. Our best bet is to transition to renewables/nuclear and hope for technological breakthroughs in the future." Middle right: "Climate change is probably real, but taking drastic action seems unreasonable considering how long it's taking to see daily life impacted by it. At this rate, society will crumble due to in-fighting before it crumbles due to climate change." Far right: "Climate change might exist, but the earth's climate has always changed. Just ignore the alarmist/fearmongering liberals, they are always freaking out about stuff that just isn't that deadly for the average person." Extreme right: "Climate change does not exist. Let's go coal roll some Teslas."

irrational 5y ago
The fact that the right uses probably, might, and not exists is the real problem. When something is an indisputable fact, yet an entire group of people dispute it, that is a cause for alarm.
- soperj 5y ago
  Nothing in science is an indisputable fact. That's part of what makes it science.
  - freemint 5y ago
    Nothing in science is indisputable if you have an explanation for all the observations. If we pose restrictions on the set of theories allowed, that they are causal and physical (respects thermodynamics, what we know about the behaviour of gases and their absorption spectra, how light works) certain things become indisputable. If you presuppose something approximating Newton's laws of motion there is no way you can come to the conclusion that repulsion between bodies (that G has the opposite sign) or that there is (even a vector valued) charge responsible for the attraction. Claiming climate science is not real at this point is equivalent to either alleging a conspiracy involving at least everyone making temperature measurements or that physics we think we understood fully since atleast the 1900s and that didn't even needed (much) correction for relativity.

by umvi 5y ago

irrational 5y ago

The fact that the right uses probably, might, and not exists is the real problem. When something is an indisputable fact, yet an entire group of people dispute it, that is a cause for alarm.

soperj 5y ago
Nothing in science is an indisputable fact. That's part of what makes it science.
- freemint 5y ago
  Nothing in science is indisputable if you have an explanation for all the observations. If we pose restrictions on the set of theories allowed, that they are causal and physical (respects thermodynamics, what we know about the behaviour of gases and their absorption spectra, how light works) certain things become indisputable. If you presuppose something approximating Newton's laws of motion there is no way you can come to the conclusion that repulsion between bodies (that G has the opposite sign) or that there is (even a vector valued) charge responsible for the attraction. Claiming climate science is not real at this point is equivalent to either alleging a conspiracy involving at least everyone making temperature measurements or that physics we think we understood fully since atleast the 1900s and that didn't even needed (much) correction for relativity.