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"Why is there such a gaping, borderline incomprehensible, asymmetry here? " The Iranian Government is trying to destabilize the Middle East including threateni

"Why is there such a gaping, borderline incomprehensible, asymmetry here? " The Iranian Government is trying to destabilize the Middle East including threatening the world with an nuclear program, attempting to overthrow House of Saud, having destroyed 50% of it's refinement industry by direct military attack (aka major act of war) with the objective turning Saudi Arabia into a Syrian mess, supporting Houthi rebels towards direct attacks on Saudi civilians, destroying Israel, arming terrorist groups like Hamas and Hezbollah towards that objective, and the United States as well, if they could, among other things including state sponsored terrorist attacks around the world including bombings and assassinations in Europe [1]. AT&T has accidently made public some people's phone numbers, it isn't trying to get nuclear weapons to use as cover to overthrow nations in it's periphery. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran_and_state-sponsored_terrorism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran_and_state-sponsored_terro...

Ansil849 5y ago
> The Iranian Government is trying to destabilize the Middle East including threatening the world with an nuclear program This sounds an awful lot like what the American government is and has been doing for a long, long time...In fact, America's nuclear program didn't just threaten the world, but caused actual harm. Where are the international sanctions?
- jollybean 5y ago
  "America's nuclear program didn't just threaten the world, but caused actual harm. " Which is false of course. It was the key ingredient in ending the worst war the world has ever seen, and since then, major wars have gone by the wayside. Decade by decade in the US-backed world order, there have been fewer and fewer major conflicts. The world is inherently unstable, it's barely held together by somewhat organized powers of which the US is by far the biggest pillar. The world as we know it with open seas, open Panama, Suez, Gulf, peace between Egypt, Israel and Saudi, relative freedom of movement and commerce is an artifact of that order of which the US is the biggest pillar. Without that order (and possibly just without the US alone, as it's hard to know if Europe+Japan+Korea+Aussie etc. could step up in a coordinated way), it would be something completely different, and in almost every scenario, much worse. The Iranian Regime is a toxic entity that literally their own citizens would overthrow in an instant given an opportunity to do so - we're all waiting for the time when they collapse so everyone, especially Iranians citizens such as the author of this article, can move forward and participate in FOSS without getting caught up in geopolitics.
  - Ansil849 5y ago
    Saying that the fact that the deaths and mutilation of hundreds of thousands of civilians is harm is "false" is just jaw-dropping in its callousness.
cycomanic 5y ago
The most interesting thing in this is the US unconditional support for Saudi Arabia, arguably the largest destabilising force in the Middle East, (one of) the largest supporter of Islamic terrorism in the world (remember where bin Laden came from, who financially supported the Taliban...) and one of the worst dictatorships in the region (and that says a lot), who spies on critics overseas through infiltrating western companies and carries out assassinations of their critics overseas. But the US (and most other western countries) unconditionally support them no matter what they do. The overthrow of the House of Saud would like to be one of the best things that could happen.
stefantalpalaru 5y ago
> The Iranian Government is trying to destabilize the Middle East including threatening the world with an nuclear program No, that's Israel: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samson_Option https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samson_Option

Ansil849 5y ago

> The Iranian Government is trying to destabilize the Middle East including threatening the world with an nuclear program This sounds an awful lot like what the American government is and has been doing for a long, long time...In fact, America's nuclear program didn't just threaten the world, but caused actual harm. Where are the international sanctions?

jollybean 5y ago
"America's nuclear program didn't just threaten the world, but caused actual harm. " Which is false of course. It was the key ingredient in ending the worst war the world has ever seen, and since then, major wars have gone by the wayside. Decade by decade in the US-backed world order, there have been fewer and fewer major conflicts. The world is inherently unstable, it's barely held together by somewhat organized powers of which the US is by far the biggest pillar. The world as we know it with open seas, open Panama, Suez, Gulf, peace between Egypt, Israel and Saudi, relative freedom of movement and commerce is an artifact of that order of which the US is the biggest pillar. Without that order (and possibly just without the US alone, as it's hard to know if Europe+Japan+Korea+Aussie etc. could step up in a coordinated way), it would be something completely different, and in almost every scenario, much worse. The Iranian Regime is a toxic entity that literally their own citizens would overthrow in an instant given an opportunity to do so - we're all waiting for the time when they collapse so everyone, especially Iranians citizens such as the author of this article, can move forward and participate in FOSS without getting caught up in geopolitics.
- Ansil849 5y ago
  Saying that the fact that the deaths and mutilation of hundreds of thousands of civilians is harm is "false" is just jaw-dropping in its callousness.

cycomanic 5y ago

The most interesting thing in this is the US unconditional support for Saudi Arabia, arguably the largest destabilising force in the Middle East, (one of) the largest supporter of Islamic terrorism in the world (remember where bin Laden came from, who financially supported the Taliban...) and one of the worst dictatorships in the region (and that says a lot), who spies on critics overseas through infiltrating western companies and carries out assassinations of their critics overseas. But the US (and most other western countries) unconditionally support them no matter what they do. The overthrow of the House of Saud would like to be one of the best things that could happen.

stefantalpalaru 5y ago

> The Iranian Government is trying to destabilize the Middle East including threatening the world with an nuclear program No, that's Israel: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samson_Option https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samson_Option