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You are asking the difference if my 18 year old daughter posts pics of her butthole that will be on the internet for life, versus making videos about video game

You are asking the difference if my 18 year old daughter posts pics of her butthole that will be on the internet for life, versus making videos about video games? I think she is more likely to potentially regret the butthole pics vs the video game videos being out there on the web for life.

thomastjeffery 5y ago
And she might say something homophobic in her video game video. Which is more embarrassing? Have you considered that she might live a full life without regretting the decision? The fact that someone is likely to have regrets after doing something is no reason to outlaw that thing.
giantrobot 5y ago
If your 18 year old daughter posts pictures of her butthole that's her choice. My question was why is porn somehow worse than videos about video games or book reviews. What if your daughter makes videos about games while wearing skimpy clothes? What if her book reviews are about trashy lurid romance novels? Where's your line for prudishness? Individually you may not want your daughter doing it but if she chooses to, or more importantly someone else's daughter chooses to, who are you, I, or other random people to shame them for doing so? It's their buttholes (and bodies) and they can do what they like with them.
didibus 5y ago
The reason she'd regret the latter is because society would shame and bully her for it. Sometimes morals are the devil, and it is so in this case. Logically, there is no physical or mental harm, unless others choose to inflict it as a result of doing something they consider immoral and want punished. Even in the case of CSAM I read this is often used to blackmail the child into continued exploitation. They'll get one photo out of pretending to be someone of the same age and all that, and then they'll get more by blackmailing the child that if they don't they'll send the photo to their parents, friends, and all that. The child has already learned that what they did was wrong and that people will make a big deal out of it. They fear the moral repercussions more than to continue along with the exploiter. That's messed up. In my opinion, this same morality is also responsible for the illegal market around sex work and its bad conditions. Because it puts the workers and/or the exploited into a corner, with everyone against them, on one side there's the exploiter, and on the other side the moral police. That makes it that sex workers have no way out. If sex work wasn't moralized, and was just work like any other, you'd be able to see the clientele improve, since more normal people would pay for the service, where as now it's only people willing to break through the morals that do so which tend to be sleezier. And you'd see the work conditions improve, as workers could mobilize, freely hop from one employer to another, go to the police when they need to report bad conduct or abuse, file a lawsuit against their employer, etc. But it would take more than legalization, it would need to become morally inconspicuous and accepted as just another normal thing. Until that happens, well, yes, you're totally right, it would be regrettable to post a photo of your butthole online, as society will shame you for it big time. In fact, it doesn't care if you post it yourself voluntarily, or if you are exploited into posting it, or if your ex-boyfriend posts it out of revenge, you'll get shamed and punished by society equally on all cases for it. That's where I feel society is responsible, we create the opportunity for harm by making it shameful.
johnnyanmac 5y ago
I mean, I'm sure half of us have stupid actions at 18 that we regret. I wouldn't necessarily want to make those things illegal/more regulated tho. As I've seen and experienced, that doesn't stop 18 year olds from being stupid. It may even enbolden some.

thomastjeffery 5y ago

And she might say something homophobic in her video game video. Which is more embarrassing? Have you considered that she might live a full life without regretting the decision? The fact that someone is likely to have regrets after doing something is no reason to outlaw that thing.

giantrobot 5y ago

If your 18 year old daughter posts pictures of her butthole that's her choice. My question was why is porn somehow worse than videos about video games or book reviews. What if your daughter makes videos about games while wearing skimpy clothes? What if her book reviews are about trashy lurid romance novels? Where's your line for prudishness? Individually you may not want your daughter doing it but if she chooses to, or more importantly someone else's daughter chooses to, who are you, I, or other random people to shame them for doing so? It's their buttholes (and bodies) and they can do what they like with them.

didibus 5y ago

The reason she'd regret the latter is because society would shame and bully her for it. Sometimes morals are the devil, and it is so in this case. Logically, there is no physical or mental harm, unless others choose to inflict it as a result of doing something they consider immoral and want punished. Even in the case of CSAM I read this is often used to blackmail the child into continued exploitation. They'll get one photo out of pretending to be someone of the same age and all that, and then they'll get more by blackmailing the child that if they don't they'll send the photo to their parents, friends, and all that. The child has already learned that what they did was wrong and that people will make a big deal out of it. They fear the moral repercussions more than to continue along with the exploiter. That's messed up. In my opinion, this same morality is also responsible for the illegal market around sex work and its bad conditions. Because it puts the workers and/or the exploited into a corner, with everyone against them, on one side there's the exploiter, and on the other side the moral police. That makes it that sex workers have no way out. If sex work wasn't moralized, and was just work like any other, you'd be able to see the clientele improve, since more normal people would pay for the service, where as now it's only people willing to break through the morals that do so which tend to be sleezier. And you'd see the work conditions improve, as workers could mobilize, freely hop from one employer to another, go to the police when they need to report bad conduct or abuse, file a lawsuit against their employer, etc. But it would take more than legalization, it would need to become morally inconspicuous and accepted as just another normal thing. Until that happens, well, yes, you're totally right, it would be regrettable to post a photo of your butthole online, as society will shame you for it big time. In fact, it doesn't care if you post it yourself voluntarily, or if you are exploited into posting it, or if your ex-boyfriend posts it out of revenge, you'll get shamed and punished by society equally on all cases for it. That's where I feel society is responsible, we create the opportunity for harm by making it shameful.

johnnyanmac 5y ago

I mean, I'm sure half of us have stupid actions at 18 that we regret. I wouldn't necessarily want to make those things illegal/more regulated tho. As I've seen and experienced, that doesn't stop 18 year olds from being stupid. It may even enbolden some.