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FBI finds scant evidence U.S. Capitol attack was coordinated

30 points by hncurious 5y ago

bingohbangoh 5y ago
"but that would mean all those right wing sites like Breitbart were right all along! this can't be??!"
- b1d3nb3h1d3n 5y ago
  Careful there, only approved liberal website are allowed on this forum.
- chrononaut 5y ago
  Media bias is an important discussion, but trying to present arguments in a mocking manner is not an effective means of starting that discussion. > Be kind. Don't be snarky. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
greljk46 5y ago
ahahahahahahhaahhahaa but but "muh insurrection" lololololololololo leftists are a bunch of fucking losers, the real insurrection is a senile old man that won't evacuate tens of thousands of american citizens from afghanistan Impeach Biden! Impeach Harris! Court-Martial Milley! Court-Martial Austin!
snowwrestler 5y ago
It’s worth reading the article. The standard being referenced here is whether to file charges of organized criminal conspiracy a la racketeering. That has a high standard of proof, far higher than the typical colloquial use of the word “coordinated.” Hilariously, the article describes the rally before the attack as “nearby,” as though it was a coincidence or something. When in fact the speakers at the rally enraged the audience and then told them to go to the Capitol.
- moate 5y ago
  "you have five percent, maybe, of these militia groups that were more closely organized" Dozens of people were charges with conspiracy. What percentage of a mob does it take to steer the mob? I don't think anyone should be taking much of a victory lap on this unless the thing you were opposing was the idea that everyone came to the capitol that day to burn the place to the ground. I think it's been pretty clear for months that that wasn't the case. People came to the capitol to listen to a political speech and express their outrage with the outcome of the election. And "about 5%" of them came to the capitol to try and start a riot...
- throwawaysea 5y ago
  > When in fact the speakers at the rally enraged the audience and then told them to go to the Capitol. Trump didn’t ask them to break laws, or trespass, or whatever else. You can look at the transcript of the rally if you want to seek the truth (https://www.usnews.com/news/politics/articles/2021-01-13/transcript-of-trumps-speech-at-rally-before-us-capitol-riot https://www.usnews.com/news/politics/articles/2021-01-13/tra...). Here’s the relevant line: > “I know that everyone here will soon be marching over to the Capitol building to peacefully and patriotically make your voices heard.” Thousands marched over the Capitol and protested outside, peacefully. A smaller number of less than 500 breached the barriers and continued the protest - this isn’t the first time a protest took place on Capitol grounds, but all the other such incidents seem to be from leftist activists and received little coverage. Only a much smaller number of people on January 6th took part in property damage or other crimes. If Trump spoke to a crowd of nearly 10000 and only a very small number took part in rioting, how can it be claimed that he incited anything? How can it be claimed that he tried to take over the government? Biased journalists have casually used words like “incitement”, “coup”, and “insurrection” to great effect but January 6th involved none of those things. Even the few people who were part of a group didn’t bring weapons, and purposefully left them elsewhere. This article notes that almost everyone was there as a one-off individual acting on their own. Clearly no group had any designs on capturing the US government, because that would be an absurd undertaking.
  - ceejayoz 5y ago
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Will_no_one_rid_me_of_this_turbulent_priest%3F https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Will_no_one_rid_me_of_this_tur... > While the quote was not expressed as an order, it prompted four knights to travel from Normandy to Canterbury, where they killed Becket. The phrase is commonly used in modern-day contexts to express that a ruler's wish may be interpreted as a command by his or her subordinates. "You will have an illegitimate president. That’s what you’ll have. And we can’t let that happen."
haskellandchill 5y ago
long time r/the_donald and patriots.win reader. it was coordinated essentially, many online users were saying and planning worse, but in a very effective distributed grassroots way. you had several leaders and influencers saying similar things. it was not hierarchical like a criminal conspiracy. more like bitcoin nonsense.
- Tostino 5y ago
  Yup, was paying attention to these communities during that time and after. Saw very similar things to you. A grass roots type of coordination, which just looks inherently different than a top down type coordinated effort.
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30 points by hncurious 5y ago

bingohbangoh 5y ago

"but that would mean all those right wing sites like Breitbart were right all along! this can't be??!"

b1d3nb3h1d3n 5y ago
Careful there, only approved liberal website are allowed on this forum.
chrononaut 5y ago
Media bias is an important discussion, but trying to present arguments in a mocking manner is not an effective means of starting that discussion. > Be kind. Don't be snarky. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

greljk46 5y ago

ahahahahahahhaahhahaa but but "muh insurrection" lololololololololo leftists are a bunch of fucking losers, the real insurrection is a senile old man that won't evacuate tens of thousands of american citizens from afghanistan Impeach Biden! Impeach Harris! Court-Martial Milley! Court-Martial Austin!

snowwrestler 5y ago

It’s worth reading the article. The standard being referenced here is whether to file charges of organized criminal conspiracy a la racketeering. That has a high standard of proof, far higher than the typical colloquial use of the word “coordinated.” Hilariously, the article describes the rally before the attack as “nearby,” as though it was a coincidence or something. When in fact the speakers at the rally enraged the audience and then told them to go to the Capitol.

moate 5y ago
"you have five percent, maybe, of these militia groups that were more closely organized" Dozens of people were charges with conspiracy. What percentage of a mob does it take to steer the mob? I don't think anyone should be taking much of a victory lap on this unless the thing you were opposing was the idea that everyone came to the capitol that day to burn the place to the ground. I think it's been pretty clear for months that that wasn't the case. People came to the capitol to listen to a political speech and express their outrage with the outcome of the election. And "about 5%" of them came to the capitol to try and start a riot...
throwawaysea 5y ago
> When in fact the speakers at the rally enraged the audience and then told them to go to the Capitol. Trump didn’t ask them to break laws, or trespass, or whatever else. You can look at the transcript of the rally if you want to seek the truth (https://www.usnews.com/news/politics/articles/2021-01-13/transcript-of-trumps-speech-at-rally-before-us-capitol-riot https://www.usnews.com/news/politics/articles/2021-01-13/tra...). Here’s the relevant line: > “I know that everyone here will soon be marching over to the Capitol building to peacefully and patriotically make your voices heard.” Thousands marched over the Capitol and protested outside, peacefully. A smaller number of less than 500 breached the barriers and continued the protest - this isn’t the first time a protest took place on Capitol grounds, but all the other such incidents seem to be from leftist activists and received little coverage. Only a much smaller number of people on January 6th took part in property damage or other crimes. If Trump spoke to a crowd of nearly 10000 and only a very small number took part in rioting, how can it be claimed that he incited anything? How can it be claimed that he tried to take over the government? Biased journalists have casually used words like “incitement”, “coup”, and “insurrection” to great effect but January 6th involved none of those things. Even the few people who were part of a group didn’t bring weapons, and purposefully left them elsewhere. This article notes that almost everyone was there as a one-off individual acting on their own. Clearly no group had any designs on capturing the US government, because that would be an absurd undertaking.
- ceejayoz 5y ago
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Will_no_one_rid_me_of_this_turbulent_priest%3F https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Will_no_one_rid_me_of_this_tur... > While the quote was not expressed as an order, it prompted four knights to travel from Normandy to Canterbury, where they killed Becket. The phrase is commonly used in modern-day contexts to express that a ruler's wish may be interpreted as a command by his or her subordinates. "You will have an illegitimate president. That’s what you’ll have. And we can’t let that happen."

haskellandchill 5y ago

long time r/the_donald and patriots.win reader. it was coordinated essentially, many online users were saying and planning worse, but in a very effective distributed grassroots way. you had several leaders and influencers saying similar things. it was not hierarchical like a criminal conspiracy. more like bitcoin nonsense.

Tostino 5y ago
Yup, was paying attention to these communities during that time and after. Saw very similar things to you. A grass roots type of coordination, which just looks inherently different than a top down type coordinated effort.

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