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Doesn't the Iranian government deserve at least some of the blame here?
by charonn0 5y ago
Doesn't the Iranian government deserve at least some of the blame here?
- Ansil849 5y agoYou mean American government?
- charonn0 5y agoWhy would you think I meant that? Please be specific.
- Ansil849 5y agoBecause they are the ones imposing the sanctions.
- charonn0 5y agoI get the impression that your confusion is just a pretense.
- CamTin 5y agoThe ITAR restrictions are imposed by the US, not Iran. Therefore, the US is at fault if you believe this to be a problem.
- charonn0 5y agoYou believe the Iranian government is blameless here?
- alpaca128 5y agoYou believe the US always act rationally or with justifiable intentions? Tell me more about the weapons of mass destruction in Iraq.
- charonn0 5y agoOf course not.
- mcguire 5y agoNuclear program of Iran (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_program_of_Iran https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_program_of_Iran) "The nuclear program of Iran has included several research sites, two uranium mines, a research reactor, and uranium processing facilities that include three known uranium enrichment plants.[1] In 1970, Iran ratified the Non-Proliferation Treaty (NPT),[2] making its nuclear program subject to the IAEA's verification. ... In the 2000s, the revelation of Iran's clandestine uranium enrichment program raised concerns that it might be intended for non-peaceful uses. The IAEA launched an investigation in 2003 after an Iranian dissident group revealed undeclared nuclear activities carried out by Iran.[5][6] In 2006, because of Iran's noncompliance with its NPT obligations, the United Nations Security Council demanded that Iran suspend its enrichment programs. ... However, in July 2019 the IAEA stated that Iran had breached the agreement.[19] Iran has, since its breach in July 2019 of the JCPOA,[20] embroiled itself in controversy with half of the JCPOA signatories because a November 2020 IAEA report said that Iran had further developed centrifuge technology, the novelty of which was explicitly prohibited by the JCPOA.[21] The IAEA report also said that Tehran "holds more than 12 times the amount of enriched uranium permitted under the JCPOA, and that "work has also begun on the construction of new underground facilities close to Natanz, its main enrichment facility".[22]"
- CrazyPyroLinux 5y agoBlame for incurring the wrath of the US? I don't think so. Sounds a bit like "stop hitting yourself" or "how dare you resist our CIA overthrow!" Maybe if this guy was on a terrorist list or something, but I as an American don't like being blamed for things my government does.
- charonn0 5y agoAre you suggesting that the Iranian government is blameless?
- boomboomsubban 5y agoIf you punish individuals for the actions of their government, what punishment do you deserve? Should you suffer for every Iranian who loses their life because of US sanctions?
- charonn0 5y agoThat's not an answer.
- boomboomsubban 5y agoThey weren't suggesting that, the "blame" of the Iranian government is a separate thing.
- charonn0 5y agoYes they were, and no it's not.
- boomboomsubban 5y agoIt's not what they were saying, they said so themselves, but if you think they're related then answer my question. Should you be punished for the actions of your government?
- amadeuspagel 5y agoNo.
- charonn0 5y agoWhy not?
- BeetleB 5y agoYou're repeatedly asking this question, and asking people to justify their stance, while offering nothing yourself. Sorry - not going to play that game.
- charonn0 5y agoI'm asking because I would like to know the answers. > Sorry - not going to play that game. You assume bad faith on my part for no good reason.
- BeetleB 5y agoI stated facts, and you concluded I assumed bad faith. I could write a lengthy explanation, but as I said: You're not offering anything to the conversation. When you are willing to, we can engage.
- charonn0 5y ago> and you concluded I assumed bad faith. You accused me of "playing games". How else should I have interpreted that? > I could write a lengthy explanation, but as I said: You're not offering anything to the conversation. You're assuming bad faith again.
- josephcsible 5y agoYes, absolutely. The US isn't sanctioning them just for fun. It's because Iran is illegally producing nukes.
- jlokier 5y agoIt might be best if Iran didn't do that, but "illegal" is open to interpretation. Funny thing, international law. Nobody's in charge. Between countries, everything resembling law is held together by diplomacy, persuasion, agreements, treaties, etc. Sanctions are part of that network, for better or worse.
- mcguire 5y agoTechnically, Iran agreed to a nuclear non-proliferation treaty in, like, 1972, violated it which led to UN resolutions in the early 2000s, then agreed to a "Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action" (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joint_Comprehensive_Plan_of_Action https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joint_Comprehensive_Plan_of_Ac...) in 2015, which led to a partial lifting of sanctions. (The US went crazy around this time and broke the agreement as well, but...) In 2019, Iran "suspended implementation" of "part" of the JCPoA. Treaties are generally treated as law by signatories. So, "illegal". Not that it really matters any; who's going to arrest a country?