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This is a defeatist view. Fedora and the author are not violating anything here and the ban is indefensible. It's a broad sweeping spineless overreaction, and

This is a defeatist view. Fedora and the author are not violating anything here and the ban is indefensible. It's a broad sweeping spineless overreaction, and we can do better.

boomboomsubban 5y ago
Pretty sure Red Hat legally has to ban him. We can do far better, but the method is by repealing laws not ignoring them.
- CrazyPyroLinux 5y ago
  Why not both?
  - boomboomsubban 5y ago
    Because breaking the law has consequences.
    - rixed 5y ago
      Such as, sometimes, helping to change them.
kube-system 5y ago
>Fedora and the author are not violating anything here Are you sure about that? This sounds pretty clear as day that sending source code to embargoed countries is illegal: https://www.ecfr.gov/cgi-bin/text-idx?mc=true&node=pt15.2.736&rgn=div5#se15.2.736_12 https://www.ecfr.gov/cgi-bin/text-idx?mc=true&node=pt15.2.73... > (6) General Prohibition Six—Export or reexport to embargoed destinations (Embargo). (i) You may not, without a license or License Exception authorized under part 746, export or reexport any item subject to the EAR to a country that is embargoed by the United States or otherwise made subject to controls as both are described at part 746 of the EAR. https://www.ecfr.gov/cgi-bin/text-idx?mc=true&node=pt15.2.734&rgn=div5#se15.2.734_113 https://www.ecfr.gov/cgi-bin/text-idx?mc=true&node=pt15.2.73... > (a) Except as set forth in §734.17 or §734.18, Export means: > (1) An actual shipment or transmission out of the United States, including the sending or taking of an item out of the United States, in any manner; > (2) Releasing or otherwise transferring “technology” or source code (but not object code) to a foreign person in the United States (a “deemed export”);
- greyface- 5y ago
  Code is speech, and its "export" is protected by the First Amendment. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bernstein_v._United_States https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bernstein_v._United_States

This is a defeatist view. Fedora and the author are not violating anything here and the ban is indefensible. It's a broad sweeping spineless overreaction, and we can do better.

boomboomsubban 5y ago

Pretty sure Red Hat legally has to ban him. We can do far better, but the method is by repealing laws not ignoring them.

CrazyPyroLinux 5y ago
Why not both?
- boomboomsubban 5y ago
  Because breaking the law has consequences.
  - rixed 5y ago
    Such as, sometimes, helping to change them.

kube-system 5y ago

>Fedora and the author are not violating anything here Are you sure about that? This sounds pretty clear as day that sending source code to embargoed countries is illegal: https://www.ecfr.gov/cgi-bin/text-idx?mc=true&node=pt15.2.736&rgn=div5#se15.2.736_12 https://www.ecfr.gov/cgi-bin/text-idx?mc=true&node=pt15.2.73... > (6) General Prohibition Six—Export or reexport to embargoed destinations (Embargo). (i) You may not, without a license or License Exception authorized under part 746, export or reexport any item subject to the EAR to a country that is embargoed by the United States or otherwise made subject to controls as both are described at part 746 of the EAR. https://www.ecfr.gov/cgi-bin/text-idx?mc=true&node=pt15.2.734&rgn=div5#se15.2.734_113 https://www.ecfr.gov/cgi-bin/text-idx?mc=true&node=pt15.2.73... > (a) Except as set forth in §734.17 or §734.18, Export means: > (1) An actual shipment or transmission out of the United States, including the sending or taking of an item out of the United States, in any manner; > (2) Releasing or otherwise transferring “technology” or source code (but not object code) to a foreign person in the United States (a “deemed export”);

greyface- 5y ago
Code is speech, and its "export" is protected by the First Amendment. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bernstein_v._United_States https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bernstein_v._United_States