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Removing him without notice is a pretty low class move by fedora. Especially considering they're still using his code (e.g. https://pagure.io/fedora-websites/bl

Removing him without notice is a pretty low class move by fedora. Especially considering they're still using his code (e.g. https://pagure.io/fedora-websites/blob/00f45403caf07e0e3285587b9e359c8167ca669c/f/getfedora.org/data/templates/workstation/header.html https://pagure.io/fedora-websites/blob/00f45403caf07e0e32855... ).

Spivak 5y ago
Other than shooting him an email there's nothing else you can really do. You don't fuck around with ITAR regulations. This isn't the the part of government that slaps meaningless cost of business fines. $1mil and 10 years prison per violation that pierces the corporate vale.
- binarymax 5y ago
  This is a defeatist view. Fedora and the author are not violating anything here and the ban is indefensible. It's a broad sweeping spineless overreaction, and we can do better.
  - boomboomsubban 5y ago
    Pretty sure Red Hat legally has to ban him. We can do far better, but the method is by repealing laws not ignoring them.
    - CrazyPyroLinux 5y ago
      Why not both?
      - boomboomsubban 5y ago
        Because breaking the law has consequences.
        rixed 5y ago
        Such as, sometimes, helping to change them.
  - kube-system 5y ago
    >Fedora and the author are not violating anything here Are you sure about that? This sounds pretty clear as day that sending source code to embargoed countries is illegal: https://www.ecfr.gov/cgi-bin/text-idx?mc=true&node=pt15.2.736&rgn=div5#se15.2.736_12 https://www.ecfr.gov/cgi-bin/text-idx?mc=true&node=pt15.2.73... > (6) General Prohibition Six—Export or reexport to embargoed destinations (Embargo). (i) You may not, without a license or License Exception authorized under part 746, export or reexport any item subject to the EAR to a country that is embargoed by the United States or otherwise made subject to controls as both are described at part 746 of the EAR. https://www.ecfr.gov/cgi-bin/text-idx?mc=true&node=pt15.2.734&rgn=div5#se15.2.734_113 https://www.ecfr.gov/cgi-bin/text-idx?mc=true&node=pt15.2.73... > (a) Except as set forth in §734.17 or §734.18, Export means: > (1) An actual shipment or transmission out of the United States, including the sending or taking of an item out of the United States, in any manner; > (2) Releasing or otherwise transferring “technology” or source code (but not object code) to a foreign person in the United States (a “deemed export”);
    - greyface- 5y ago
      Code is speech, and its "export" is protected by the First Amendment. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bernstein_v._United_States https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bernstein_v._United_States
- Ansil849 5y ago
  You can have some semblance of decorum and not use the work of someone you just banned.
- thanatos519 5y ago
  If only the EPA could slap that hard!
  - kube-system 5y ago
    Like this? https://www.theguardian.com/business/2017/dec/06/oliver-schmidt-jailed-volkswagen-emissions-scam-seven-years https://www.theguardian.com/business/2017/dec/06/oliver-schm...
    - guerrilla 5y ago
      No, I don't think they mean like that because that was an exceptional international scandal while people are normally and consistently afraid of violating ITAR regulations.
- selfhoster11 5y ago
  Shoot him an email them. It's common courtesy.
  - remram 5y ago
    I'd probably shoot them an email, and publish a blog/tweet/... along the lines of "We appreciate the contributions of <NAMES> over the last few years, unfortunately we can no longer accept contributions from Iranian citizens in compliance with US law." The sneakiness really is unnecessary.
CrazyPyroLinux 5y ago
Low-class, I agree. I'm sure they are also still using FSF's code, whom they didn't hesitate to throw under the bus for the chance to virtue-signal over RMS: https://fedoramagazine.org/fedora-council-statement-on-richard-stallman-rejoining-fsf-board/ https://fedoramagazine.org/fedora-council-statement-on-richa...
- CrazyPyroLinux 5y ago
  Apparently a lot of RMS haters in this thread?

Spivak 5y ago

Other than shooting him an email there's nothing else you can really do. You don't fuck around with ITAR regulations. This isn't the the part of government that slaps meaningless cost of business fines. $1mil and 10 years prison per violation that pierces the corporate vale.

binarymax 5y ago
This is a defeatist view. Fedora and the author are not violating anything here and the ban is indefensible. It's a broad sweeping spineless overreaction, and we can do better.
- boomboomsubban 5y ago
  Pretty sure Red Hat legally has to ban him. We can do far better, but the method is by repealing laws not ignoring them.
  - CrazyPyroLinux 5y ago
    Why not both?
    - boomboomsubban 5y ago
      Because breaking the law has consequences.
      - rixed 5y ago
        Such as, sometimes, helping to change them.
- kube-system 5y ago
  >Fedora and the author are not violating anything here Are you sure about that? This sounds pretty clear as day that sending source code to embargoed countries is illegal: https://www.ecfr.gov/cgi-bin/text-idx?mc=true&node=pt15.2.736&rgn=div5#se15.2.736_12 https://www.ecfr.gov/cgi-bin/text-idx?mc=true&node=pt15.2.73... > (6) General Prohibition Six—Export or reexport to embargoed destinations (Embargo). (i) You may not, without a license or License Exception authorized under part 746, export or reexport any item subject to the EAR to a country that is embargoed by the United States or otherwise made subject to controls as both are described at part 746 of the EAR. https://www.ecfr.gov/cgi-bin/text-idx?mc=true&node=pt15.2.734&rgn=div5#se15.2.734_113 https://www.ecfr.gov/cgi-bin/text-idx?mc=true&node=pt15.2.73... > (a) Except as set forth in §734.17 or §734.18, Export means: > (1) An actual shipment or transmission out of the United States, including the sending or taking of an item out of the United States, in any manner; > (2) Releasing or otherwise transferring “technology” or source code (but not object code) to a foreign person in the United States (a “deemed export”);
  - greyface- 5y ago
    Code is speech, and its "export" is protected by the First Amendment. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bernstein_v._United_States https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bernstein_v._United_States
Ansil849 5y ago
You can have some semblance of decorum and not use the work of someone you just banned.
thanatos519 5y ago
If only the EPA could slap that hard!
- kube-system 5y ago
  Like this? https://www.theguardian.com/business/2017/dec/06/oliver-schmidt-jailed-volkswagen-emissions-scam-seven-years https://www.theguardian.com/business/2017/dec/06/oliver-schm...
  - guerrilla 5y ago
    No, I don't think they mean like that because that was an exceptional international scandal while people are normally and consistently afraid of violating ITAR regulations.
selfhoster11 5y ago
Shoot him an email them. It's common courtesy.
- remram 5y ago
  I'd probably shoot them an email, and publish a blog/tweet/... along the lines of "We appreciate the contributions of <NAMES> over the last few years, unfortunately we can no longer accept contributions from Iranian citizens in compliance with US law." The sneakiness really is unnecessary.

CrazyPyroLinux 5y ago

Low-class, I agree. I'm sure they are also still using FSF's code, whom they didn't hesitate to throw under the bus for the chance to virtue-signal over RMS: https://fedoramagazine.org/fedora-council-statement-on-richard-stallman-rejoining-fsf-board/ https://fedoramagazine.org/fedora-council-statement-on-richa...

CrazyPyroLinux 5y ago
Apparently a lot of RMS haters in this thread?